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Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

Angostura wrote: post #36
anvandare wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

Private Eye has done a pretty good job of maintaining the vibe.

Private Eye was never really countercultural. When Richard Neville, founder of the legendary 1960s countercultural newspaper OZ, moved to London, he met with Private Eye staff thinking that they might be on the same wavelength. Instead, he found they were very classist and old-fashioned (and homophobic). The counterculture wanted to utterly tear down the establishment. Private Eye might have poked fun at some establishment figures, but that doesn’t mean it had the same revolutionary aims as the true counterculture.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by coldtea »

cdolan wrote: post #37
coldtea wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps this is why the Rolling Stone is for sale then? Obviously not. Else countless others shit-rags would also be. In the era of fake news this is a misdemeanor.

Justifying poor journalism by referencing more poor journalism is not a recipe for success.

I'm not justifying anything, just applying logic.

Saying that bad journalism "is why the Rolling Stone is for sale" makes no sense when bad (and far worse) journalism does just fine everywhere.

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Post by brookside »

janvdberg wrote: post #18

Jann Wenner was on a recent How I Built This podcast [1]: which was very interesting. He was very adamant there that his son was being prepped to take over. So this is a bit surprising. [1] http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510313/how-i-built-this

He struck me as prickly and on edge for portions of that interview.

While the question about lack of gender diversity in RS's writers seemed aggressive compared to the normal How I Built This "So a billion dollar valuation. That's a lot of money. What does it feel like to be...rich?", Wenner's response seemed out of touch and dismissive.

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Post by tclancy »

coldtea wrote: post #9
anvandare wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...

Is that true? It's not like effective counter-culture stuff is ever easily recognizable by older generations. Otherwise it wouldn't be fun. Remember ever cool word/ term you knew as a kid and how they immediately stopped being cool once you heard your parents use them?

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Post by olivermarks »

Myrmornis wrote: post #40
fallingfrog wrote: post #34

Rolling Stone has become a sad graveyard of top 50 songs lists and photos from the 60's. It's a joke for anyone under the age of 50.

You might be unaware of some of the good journalism on non-music current affairs that they have published, e.g. Matt Taibbi.

The only reason I ever go to RS online is to read Matt Taibbi, who has been a valuable documenter of our era of too big to fail bank antics and the bizarre US political circus.

The rest of it seems run of the mill corporate entertainment shilling and promotion...

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Post by isk517 »

thisiscool wrote: post #20

2 things caused me to decline a Rolling Stones subscription which I just cannot get over: 1. A Rape on Campus 2. the Marathon bomber on the cover looking like a rock star

I'm surprised that the Boston Marathon bomber cover was not brought up in the article as well.

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #29
jessriedel wrote: post #22

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All mistakes are not the same, and there are ones that ought to end a career. When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. A sufficiently bad news article can wreck the lives of multiple innocent people, and kill public trust in the newspaper and the author. In this way, a bad editor or writer can do more damage in one decision than they can make up for in the entire rest their car…

> When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. Is that always true? I'm not so sure. And even if it is true, perhaps it should not be so. All kinds of professionals have accidents or errors and continue to work. There's this apocryphal story that makes some sense. Tom Watson Jr., CEO of IBM between 1956 and 1971, was a key figure in the information revolution. (...) A young executi…

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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by yung_endian »

yardie wrote: post #35
VLM wrote: post #13

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Alt-right elected a president against incredible legacy media opposition...

The alt-right didn't get him elected. Good ol' American racism did. They certainly helped. But what helped more was he had a solid pulse on scared white men.

Not just white men - trump won with all categories of people identifying as white

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Post by arrakeen »

isk517 wrote: post #47
thisiscool wrote: post #20

2 things caused me to decline a Rolling Stones subscription which I just cannot get over: 1. A Rape on Campus 2. the Marathon bomber on the cover looking like a rock star

I'm surprised that the Boston Marathon bomber cover was not brought up in the article as well.

fwiw, in the print edition the bomber cover was included in the covers displayed on the front page of the business section
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