Ironically reported in the Failing New York Times. :)
Seems to me the NY Times is doing OK, digital subscriptions are way up.
Most likely the parent was using the phrase in jest.
Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions
Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
All mistakes are not the same, and there are ones that ought to end a career. When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. A sufficiently bad news article can wreck the lives of multiple innocent people, and kill public trust in the newspaper and the author. In this way, a bad editor or writer can do more damage in one decision than they can make up for in the entire rest their career.
I don't have an opinion on this case in particular, but there are cases where no amount of apologizing is enough. Becoming a copy writer for the rest of one's career does not strike me as a particularly cruel and unusual punishment.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.
And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...
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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions
Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
> What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
By the time the correction is issued, the false information has spread worldwide. There are still people who believe dumb conspiracy theories because the early coverage of events like Katrina and 9/11 got it wrong.
And the correction will never go viral the way the wrong-headed reporting will.
So yes, they shouldn't work again. And maybe if we burn enough people in such a way editors will pump the brakes a little on breaking news in such a way to avoid printing bullshit and infecting the public further.
Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions
Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
They used their position with the public's trust to irrevocably harm people. Then when caught didn't seem to change much. That's an indication of an organization not to trust anymore.
But the real problem? It's just crappy journalism. Taking some half-assed, re-hashed current political narrative being peddled by somebody with emotional problems, forgetting the editing and fact-checking, and running with it front-page. They suck at their job. That's an indication of an organization that doesn't care about quality.
The best defense I can come up with for RS is that we live in a tough-as-nails media market, and everybody's having to cut corners and pump stories far past reason. Doesn't mean they suck any less, just that they suck as much as many other news outlets. They got caught.
Good journalism is rare and getting rarer. Whether RS fired anybody or not isn't very important. What _is_ important is that their publishing of the story and reaction to it forms a not-so-pretty picture of where the overall industry is.
Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions
Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
Are you daft?
Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#27Was on and off reader of RS. Their non/half apology for their University of Virginia rape story really turn me off. They didn't seem to understand (or care?) what they did wrong and thus didn't really apologize.
Is it sad that I'm glad? It's sort of like the Simpsons for me, something that I once loved so much that has been ruined forever. Now they just seem like a cruel joke I'd like to end.
Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...
The anarchist scene has seemed thriving in every city I've lived in.
Thriving in the sense that the goth scene is also thriving.
It has a few places people hang out, occasionally they organize this or that, and they have a good time.
Other than that just as insignificant, in influence, in power, in numbers and in mass appeal as the juggalo scene.
Not much to write home about.
Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
All mistakes are not the same, and there are ones that ought to end a career. When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. A sufficiently bad news article can wreck the lives of multiple innocent people, and kill public trust in the newspaper and the author. In this way, a bad editor or writer can do more damage in one decision than they can make up for in the entire rest their car…
>When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over.
Is that always true? I'm not so sure. And even if it is true, perhaps it should not be so. All kinds of professionals have accidents or errors and continue to work.
There's this apocryphal story that makes some sense.
Tom Watson Jr., CEO of IBM between 1956 and 1971, was a key figure in the information revolution. (...) A young executive had made some bad decisions that cost the company several million dollars. He was summoned to Watson’s office, fully expecting to be dismissed. As he entered the office, the young executive said, “I suppose after that set of mistakes you will want to fire me.” Watson was said to have replied, “Not at all, young man, we have just spent a couple of million dollars educating you.”
Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?
Perhaps this is why the Rolling Stone is for sale then? Author and Editor fail to validate highly sensitive claims in an incredibly amateur fashion. * they did not even ask the accused for comment*. Rather than separate from the author and Editor, and help them find a career elsewhere, the publication gives a pretty weak apology and doubles down on two individuals who obviously failed to follow basic journalism stand…
>Perhaps this is why the Rolling Stone is for sale then?
Obviously not. Else countless others shit-rags would also be.
In the era of fake news this is a misdemeanor.