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Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

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Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?

Are you daft?

Are you rude and is your comment argument-less?

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I also do not think the author or editor were removed from their positions

Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?

Erdely did not just make "a mistake". The evidence is that she was grossly and willfully negligent in the very basics of journalism, e.g. soliciting information from the accused.

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Why should they? Should everybody that makes a mistake in their job be fired? The magazine retracted the story and apologized. The author apologized as well. The editor handed over their resignation (it was not accepted). What do you want, to have them be some parriahs that never find journalistic work again?

All mistakes are not the same, and there are ones that ought to end a career. When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. A sufficiently bad news article can wreck the lives of multiple innocent people, and kill public trust in the newspaper and the author. In this way, a bad editor or writer can do more damage in one decision than they can make up for in the entire rest their car…

Doctors kill patients, despite their best intents. It might be exhaustion after 14 hours of constant stress, it might be negligence, or simply lack of necessary data to make a better decision in tiny time window available to save somebody with cardiac arrest. Often its caused indirectly and there is more than 1 person to blame.

If we fired and imprisoned every doctor with this experience(s), hospitals would be empty and people would be dying from easily preventable causes. There are almost no doctors that are doing clinical medicine for long enough that don't have this 'mark' on their soul. Got a solution for that from your high horse?

I am talking about deaths happening daily in every hospital around the world. Sorry you were saying what?

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And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...

Alt-right elected a president against incredible legacy media opposition...

The alt-right didn't get him elected. Good ol' American racism did. They certainly helped. But what helped more was he had a solid pulse on scared white men.

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I like to read about the 1960s counterculture in Europe and North America. It was always funny to see Rolling Stone in the list of "underground newspapers" of the Sixties, because for my generation, it has always been a completely ordinary and conventional magazine that you can buy anywhere. Also amazing is that Time Out , which will strike most people today as an unremarkable and boring listing of events, was consid…

"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

Private Eye has done a pretty good job of maintaining the vibe.

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Perhaps this is why the Rolling Stone is for sale then? Author and Editor fail to validate highly sensitive claims in an incredibly amateur fashion. * they did not even ask the accused for comment*. Rather than separate from the author and Editor, and help them find a career elsewhere, the publication gives a pretty weak apology and doubles down on two individuals who obviously failed to follow basic journalism stand…

> Perhaps this is why the Rolling Stone is for sale then? Obviously not. Else countless others shit-rags would also be. In the era of fake news this is a misdemeanor.

Justifying poor journalism by referencing more poor journalism is not a recipe for success.

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All mistakes are not the same, and there are ones that ought to end a career. When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. A sufficiently bad news article can wreck the lives of multiple innocent people, and kill public trust in the newspaper and the author. In this way, a bad editor or writer can do more damage in one decision than they can make up for in the entire rest their car…

> When the captain of a Navy ship has an accidental collision, his career is over. Is that always true? I'm not so sure. And even if it is true, perhaps it should not be so. All kinds of professionals have accidents or errors and continue to work. There's this apocryphal story that makes some sense. Tom Watson Jr., CEO of IBM between 1956 and 1971, was a key figure in the information revolution. (...) A young executi…

Easy to find examples:

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/08/23/remain...

Start at the top and start firing.

"Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin, who headed America's Asia-based 7th Fleet, has been relieved of his duties following the damage to the USS John S McCain."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/asia/fitzgerald-col...

Next up is the commander of the ship and the senior officers.

Being relieved of duties doesn't mean firing though. Could be that they become paper pushers. The next step would be court martial.

But yes, there are career ending mistakes. Especially when they cause the death of 7 people and takes a 9000 ton, $1.5 billion ship out of commission. The Arleigh Burke class also forms a good chunk of an aircraft carrier group's defensive perimeter, so by taking out these ships, these mistakes (whether one mistake or many mistake doesn't matter) puts approximately $30 Billion worth of military assets (not to mention the 5000+ people) at risk.

How's that for a career ender?

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"You either die a counterculture or you live long enough to become the culture." The young/anti-establishment people of the 60's and 70's are the old/establishment people of today.

And, at the same time, there are no young/anti-establishment people of today of any consequence. Not in any such numbers as to constitute an actual counter-culture anyway...

I think it's shocking how normative the culture is today. Fringe media says exactly the same things - pro-social justice, pro-a large social safety net, deep concern about climate change - as the major media. The only actual "counterculture" seems to be Breitbart et al, which is ... a change.

Paper Magazine, the New York Times, and Gothamist now mostly reflect the same cultural ideals. It's fascinating. Was this what the 80s was like?

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Rolling Stone has become a sad graveyard of top 50 songs lists and photos from the 60's. It's a joke for anyone under the age of 50.

You might be unaware of some of the good journalism on non-music current affairs that they have published, e.g. Matt Taibbi.
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