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Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
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Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#72No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.
Completely agree. Future generations will marvel at the fact that we didn't figure out that having large populations living in poverty would create hot zones for contagious disease to spread from. The Ebola outbreak that showed up in Dallas a few years ago comes to mind. Poverty needs to be eliminated worldwide ASAP to prevent the next pandemic.
US's positive view of globalization after World War II did wonders in reducing extreme poverty (via our aid programs, charities, etc). Sadly, many in our country are turning their backs to globalization when the world really needs more investment.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
No your cloth bags are not the solution. It's a trade off between immediate needs and future costs. I don't dispute plastic bags have many negative externalities however they are profoundly immediately useful to humans. There are massive unintended consequences whenever you impose a designed objective function on reality as a planner. In regards to the questionable surfaces I don't dispute that either but it is irrel…
FWIW, your initial comment had two substantive and astute points. But much like the countless unsung plastic bags, you loaded it with shit.
fwiw. I read HN daily because the submissions are a fantastic source of raw material. However it is impossible for me to ever debate on it.
If I had said in a different context "Dumb as rocks religious theories" or "dumb as rocks conservatives" nobody would even blink.
One thing for many here might want to think analytically about is the concept of "civility" and how baised and subjective that is.
Certain types of personalities might be able to provide useful analysis but as part of their personality will display aggression in presentation. By having strict policies you create bias in the types of analysis that can be contributed and imho the effect is a strong bias to liberal group think. I'm sure that hurts feelings but thats the issue we need to promote thoughts over feelings to built working solutions for reality.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#74Yes 100%. They imposed 7c bag tax in Chicago and I happened to wait 30 mins near the checkout lanes. Just observe the insanity. People bring the dirtiest nastiest bags and put them right on the conveyer belt. It must be literally a massive exponential increase in physical transmission of microscope matter between shoppers compared to issuing every shopper new bags. This stuff is insanity. Planners gone wild trying to…
Somebody didn't read the article.
I really did before I posted anything. I just jumped ahead to a related effect that I had direct observations in regards to. Clearly plastic bags are great for the immediate need of shitting somewhere. and I fully understand they have negative future externalities.
take a look at my other comment in response to being flagged and why I just added.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#75No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.
> Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide.
Most of the the homeless people are likely eligible for California Medicare.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the train stations in Paris, they have pay toilets and people beg for change outside them so they can use them.
Great way to be hospitable to the foreign tourists who don't carry coins...
To be fair, if you just stepped out of a train or are about to board one, the restroom inside the train is free.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#77Does it seem to anybody else that having widely available public restrooms would be a way better (including way more hygienic) way to address this issue?
Santa Monica and Venice have those and "hygienic" is rarely the word used to describe them. The handicapped ones are usually overtaken by homeless as an impromptu residence, the rest have various amounts of dirt, toilet paper, drug paraphernalia, broken glass, urine and feces spread throughout the floor.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#78No. Lack of universal health care and a proper social safety net resulted in the Hepatitis outbreak. Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Through treatment, which a universal health care system would provide. And proper sanitary conditions, which taking care of people so they don't have to live on the streets would provide.
> Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Most of the the homeless people are likely eligible for California Medicare.
> Most of the the homeless people are likely eligible for California Medicare.
“California Medicare” is not a thing that exists. You are perhaps thinking of Medi-Cal, which is California’s Medicaid program (Medicaid is for the medically indigent, and is partly federally funded and administered by the states; Medicare is federally administered, and for seniors and certain disabled.)
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#79Seems like a good opportunity to design and distribute plastic bags specifically for people poops (sort of like the bags for dog poops).
Or maybe fix the low cost housing problem and maybe create better homeless day centers and public bathrooms? Just an idea...
Anaheim has decent homeless day centers and has actually invested into container-based housing to accommodate the homeless population by the riverbed, but the issue is not as binary. It also has a decent share of large churches doing all sorts of outreach programs to help the poor.
For a variety of reasons - fear of government control, previous negative experience, fear of harassment or violence, conspiracies conjured up by someone with a mental condition - many homeless refuse "the system" and prefer the riverbank.
Re: Did California plastic bag ban result in San Diego's current hepatitis outbreak?
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Hepatitis can be prevented through vaccination, which a universal health care system would provide. Most of the the homeless people are likely eligible for California Medicare.
> Most of the the homeless people are likely eligible for California Medicare. “California Medicare” is not a thing that exists. You are perhaps thinking of Medi-Cal, which is California’s Medicaid program (Medicaid is for the medically indigent, and is partly federally funded and administered by the states; Medicare is federally administered, and for seniors and certain disabled.)
I stand corrected, yes, the Medi-Cal program that covers the low-income Californians.