Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode • Hacker News Board

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 7:25 AM UTC

vurpo wrote: post #249

themihai wrote: post #215

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The Google device is NOT truly yours because you have to look for cracks if you want to root it or remove the Google stuff. The law may also be against you if you crack it. You are just a guest on your device...you are "licensed" to use it just like you get license to play music on spotify, watch movies on netflix etc...nothing is owned anymore and very few people care.

Many Android devices, including all the ones that Google make and sell themselves, Sony devices, Motorola devices, have an officially supported path to running any code you want on YOUR own device. Usually that path is: boot the phone into bootloader mode, plug it into a computer, run `fastboot oem unlock`, accept the warning that this will void your warranty, then `fastboot flash `. An officially documented and supp…

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Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by tobylane » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 8:50 AM UTC

remcob wrote: post #222

themihai wrote: post #213

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Yeah but what choice do you have? Apple is the lesser evil here.

You can choose non-US companies. OnePlus, Samsung, etc. I don't think China or S.Korea is less inclined to spy on you, but I suspect they are less competent at it.

>but I suspect they are less competent at it.

Maybe they offload it to the US as NSA is so good at it.

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Post by creatonez » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 2:35 PM UTC

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #8

I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

So the fact that they've previously been lying about device encryption stands out as supportive of user privacy to you?

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by on_and_off » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 4:24 PM UTC

Vinnl wrote: post #247

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #8

I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

Mozilla comes to mind.

I would have loved to see FirefoxOS be a real thing.

Unlike any of the tech giants, they have no incentive to pull you in their ecosystem, embrace open source, etc

If only FirefoxOS had arrived earlier and was not tied to a catastrophic 'web on mobile' idea.

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Post by HugoDaniel » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 5:38 PM UTC

zimpenfish wrote: post #287

HugoDaniel wrote: post #280

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Yup, so Apple knows about your data. And according to that slide they are a "provider" for NSA. End-to-end encryption at least maybe guarantees that it is not your ISP that is selling you out to NSA (making it harder for Apple to explain why they are on that list).

How does Apple know about your data unless they have B's key?

Who generates the keys for B ?

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Post by tinus_hn » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 10:54 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #216

dkonofalski wrote: post #52

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That is objectively untrue. Every system that has allowed sideloading of apps has been compromised by that very feature.

"Every society that has been allowed to drive cars has had car accidents." I know the risks, I want to do it anyway. I don't want a nanny over my head.

A compromise doesn't affect you, it affects Apple and the app developers. iOS has the best apps because it has people buying them instead of everyone and his brother pirating.

Anyway, if you don't want to deal with how an iPhone works, how about buying a different phone.