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Windows for Linux Nerds

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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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What does this mean for Cygwin?

Cygwin still seems to be the go-to for any POSIX apps that need to interact with the actual Windows environment. For example, wslbridge[1] that connects wsltty[2] to WSL compiles the frontend component under cygwin.

[1]: https://github.com/mintty/wsltty [2]: https://github.com/rprichard/wslbridge

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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...but why do I need this ?

Work gives me a Mac which I have a Linux VM inside of to get work done. Personally I have Linux / BSD laptops and BSD servers.

Why do I need windows at all ?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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MS Office for Linux. That's all I need, that's all I would miss in my current work environment (in the browser is just not cutting it atm).

And Skype. We need a Skype alternative that works on Linux and it's not an electron app. Hangouts/appear.in and web.skype.com simply don't work the same way and don't have the same quality.

I hope Skype dies (though I also still depend in it). I'm currently trying to get our project on Teams which works much nicer (it's MS' Slack clone). Wouldn't hurt to have that on Linux as well indeed although Slack work perfectly on Linux.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…

I'm in a similar predicament to OP. I prefer Linux in most cases, it's what I'm used to. But I need or would vastly prefer one or the other depending on what I'm doing. A VM is fine for just checking outlook..or using Skype for chat and things like that. But the second I need to use an IDE for Windows development, it's too slow to bear. Having better interchangeability between these two would make my life significant…

> But the second I need to use an IDE for Windows development, it's too slow to bear.

This very much depends on your machine. For example, I have an office machine running an older i7 with 16 GB of RAM. I give my VM's 6 cores and 8 GB of ram and I don't run into the issues you describe.

I also precreate the disk (instead of using dynamic) and shut off things that tend to be I/O intensive in Visual Studio, but once done I've not noticed a performance difference between it and native.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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I've been a Microsoft developer for a long time, but in recent years it's become increasingly hard to justify and the Linux subsystem hasn't helped. Not because it's not an interesting feature, but because my desktop has become even more useless as anything but development than it already was with Visual Studio infecting everything. I'm sure it's a step in the right direction for a lot of people, but I bought an old…

could you go into more detail on why the .net core devops is problematic?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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I totally agree with his points about how terrible the Windows console is.

Scrolling past the current line into blank space makes no sense. Having two identical settings menus (Defaults and Properties) that affect the current terminal vs every terminal makes no sense. Having no color theme support makes no sense.

As far as third party terminals go, ConEmu is pretty good but crashes a lot for me. I don't see why I should even need to get a third party terminal though. Microsoft is a multi billion dollar company. Can't they hire a team of guys to improve the one thing that every single programmer and sysadmin cares about - the god damned terminal?

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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And Skype. We need a Skype alternative that works on Linux and it's not an electron app. Hangouts/appear.in and web.skype.com simply don't work the same way and don't have the same quality.

I hope Skype dies (though I also still depend in it). I'm currently trying to get our project on Teams which works much nicer (it's MS' Slack clone). Wouldn't hurt to have that on Linux as well indeed although Slack work perfectly on Linux.

If Skype dies we basically have no alternative. Sure, you got Slack, Hangouts, Teams (as you mention), the new Atlassian thing etc. but that's mainly for group efforts or for a company setting. Skype isn't used just by businesses. I mainly use Skype for videocalls with friends and family, usually one-on-one, and for that we have zero replacements.

Slack is just not a thing for this use case, same for all the other collaborative tools. Hangouts delivers subpar video quality and decent audio quality (if we ignore the fact that it hasn't been working on Firefox for a while). Appear.in glitches and lags a lot, sometimes to the point that is not usable. Signal would be great, video and audio quality are amazing on mobile, but there's no desktop client (apart from a Chrome extension that can't really be called a desktop client). WhatsApp video quality is very poor while audio tends to be decent, but once again, no desktop client (there's an in-browser web app with no support for video calls). Skype too, is fine on desktop, but it's a huge resource hogger and consequently battery drainer on mobile (the only non-game app that manages to warm the back case of my Android phone).

So yeah, future doesn't look great. I am hoping in GNU/Ring, but who knows...

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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I tried WSL a few times but for real world every day development it's just not usable at all. The file mount performance is crippling slow. A Rails app takes 30+ seconds to see changes vs nearly instant on native Linux. If anyone is interested in running Linux on Windows in a way that's suitable for full time development then check out this screencast / blog post: https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/create-an-awesome-linu…

Kinda sad to use old VMware and old Xubuntu...

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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You've got a good point. I believe personally that there are great people working at MS (because I know one or two... so I'll just take a leap and assume in general) -- so it seems like a problem of reining in the beast. Hell, Gates seems like a generally good person. It's the default nature of a corporation [read: monster] so large to consume as much as it can and become as powerful as it can. Such organizations are…

Good people work for Oracle as well, but that doesn't mean oracle isn't a destructive open source participant.

Surely it's a similar problem to MS. "Reining in the beast" so to speak.

Corporations, any for-profit corporation, are all by their nature (if you can call it that) for the express purpose of making money in their raw functioning. It would take a purposeful, active measure to sway the actions a corporate body would take (or should take).

Not saying MS is an innocent party in the slightest.

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