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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by kronos29296 »

Twisell wrote: post #240
monkmartinez wrote: post #182

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None of it is the same thing, outside of linux, if you are being honest. You can't run a macOS script in web production. period. end of story. So with all platforms, sans linux proper, we resort to funny business to get things working locally and then do it different when it comes time to deploy. What are we doing? Just use linux... or MSFT/.net as it were. The funny thing in all of this is that Apple have nothing to…

In which way transitioning to from full closed source to native POSIX implementation and (10 years after) developing swift as FOSS is a bad/disrespectful trajectory in you opinion?

Programming languages that are popular are transitioning to FOSS (even MS is doing it). Proprietary programming cannot succeed in today's crowded ecosystem. If swift was closed source but free to nobody would use it unlike 20 years ago. So swift being OSS is the only decision.

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Post by pjmlp »

wutbrodo wrote: post #145
freedomben wrote: post #134

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I did almost this exact thing a few years ago and I've been super happy. Two points of advice: 1. Check hardware compatibility _before_ you order your laptop. Intel video drivers and wifi drivers are open source and reliable. Stay away from Broadcom, and unless you plan to do gaming, stay away from Nvidia (tho modern Ubuntu makes nvidia pretty darn easy). 2. Pick a DE (I recommend Gnome 3, but KDE is great too) and l…

I switched at the beginning of college (oddly enough, before I decided to add a computer science degree or had ever written a line of code), and I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. I've stuck with ThinkPads for hardware compatibility, and I've always been 10x more productive on my machine than anyone I know. On top of that, I've been able to keep 90% of the same habits and config while taking my mac…

Because some of us have been spoiled with development environments like Smalltalk, Common Lisp IDEs, Delphi, ... with Visual Studio being one of the best.

I remember following KDevelop progress hoping that one day it could eventually match what I already had available in Borland and MS tools.

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Post by welterde »

sremani wrote: post #238
craftyguy wrote: post #23

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My sister, who majored in philosophy and is in absolutely no way technologically adept, has been a fulltime linux user for 12 years now (including 4 years in university). My partner, who is a grade school teacher and is in no way interested in learning about technology, has been using it full time for 2 years now. My dad, a 6 year user (4 years fulltime), same story about level of tech competence... There are others.…

Having dabbled in enough Linux over years and still preferring Windows for most of my work, even though I make sure there is a Linux box up and running in the corner, I would say this Linux excels at extremes, i.e. powerusers and novice users who need "restricted" usage. For the rest of the people who fall into the range of not poweruser but want enough autonomy to install and uninstall various software applications,…

How so? Virtually every linux distribution has package mangers - which mostly also have nice graphical user interfaces. I would argue this is a much nicer user experience than having to search on the web for the installer, dealing with incomplete uninstalls, each application doing their own thing in regards to updates, etc.

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Post by H1Supreme »

oneweekwonder wrote: post #215
ulyssesgrant wrote: post #173

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Yes! I primarily develop on Linux, but lately have been working on Windows porting. In many ways the WSL has been a massive savior. It makes developing on Windows at least possible for Linux users. But it's sooo slooow. The performance bottlenecks I hit seem to be disk i/o related. Things from path tab completion on the command line, to Vim's YouCompleteMe compiling code in the background, to a plain "git status", ar…

Tried https://mremoteng.org/ before? IIRC it wraps putty/kitty for ssh. But was the most useful terminal replacement options for me when I was on Microsoft Land.

Git Bash works great for SSH too. Putty sucks, imo. Especially, the bullshit associated with the certificates. Git Bash uses Linux style rsa keys.

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Post by pjmlp »

solotronics wrote: post #139
monkmartinez wrote: post #119

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Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…

by dual booting and using Linux for your hardcore development your basically ceding that Windows sucks at this. I agree honestly it's sad that Windows is not POSIX compliant, why can't I run bash, GIT, ssh, and a decent package manager on Windows? that will be it's downfall because the hardcore devs are all on Linux and OS X

Hardcore graphics programming devs are on Windows.

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Post by adamnemecek »

jrs95 wrote: post #287
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

I keep reading stuff like this about Apple losing sight of what matters to developers...but I don’t really know what the big deal is. Aside from a frustrating lack of RAM on the latest MBP, everything seems to be just as good as it was before to me. And even the RAM issue can be solved for me by just not using too much horribly inefficient (electron) software at the same time.

I want to be able to have a stupidly powerful computer. Like idk 128gb or ram and what not. Why is Timmy Cook telling me I can't.

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Post by pjmlp »

tootie wrote: post #17
santoshalper wrote: post #6

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Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

The best Linux desktop by far is ChromeOS.

Which is just basically a mix of Chrome and Android, with zero value regarding what kernel is actually being used.

Tomorrow Google could release ChromeOS using another kernel and no one would notice.

The only restriction is that the kernel needs to support the official set of NDK APIs for Android apps.

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Post by pjmlp »

lottin wrote: post #210
api_or_ipa wrote: post #140

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Why not use a browser based presentation app like Google Slides and not deal with stupid proprietary software that won't run on anything but a windows or mac machine?

Exactly. Using non-portable formats when there are portable alternatives is simply stupid.

Surely, because Google Docs runs on my computer without any part of that closed source behind Google virtual walls.

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Post by oAlbe »

teekert wrote: post #214
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

MS Office for Linux. That's all I need, that's all I would miss in my current work environment (in the browser is just not cutting it atm).

And Skype. We need a Skype alternative that works on Linux and it's not an electron app. Hangouts/appear.in and web.skype.com simply don't work the same way and don't have the same quality.

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Post by pjmlp »

badminton1 wrote: post #167

It's hard for Windows to realistically compete with Linux as a developer environment. GNU/Linux and userland software is made by developers for developers, and a lot of it is open source. If you are a developer, on Linux sky is the limit. Everything can be played with. On Windows that's not the case. Many areas are off-limits and you don't get to see how they work, and you cannot change them if you need to. Then, Mic…

Only for developers that only care about writing CLI and web servers.

For those of us that care about UI/UX, IDEs with nice graphical tooling, only macOS matches Windows, specially given the developer culture for such tooling.

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