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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by AsyncAwait »

teekert wrote: post #214
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

MS Office for Linux. That's all I need, that's all I would miss in my current work environment (in the browser is just not cutting it atm).

In addition to trying CrossOver, as was suggested, I heard SoftMaker Office having great compatibility with office documents[1], but I can't personally vouch for that.

1 - http://www.softmaker.com/en/softmaker-office-linux

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #250
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible, but it wouldn't help. The problem is all the metadata lookups, which generally take several orders of magnitude more time on Windows than they do on Linux. The Windows implementation of NTFS just really isn't optimized to act as an unix filesystem.

Do you know what exactly the fundamental barrier to this is? I've always wondered. What's so different about Linux and Windows that Windows has to do so much more work for file creation/deletion? It seems to be half an NTFS issue and half a Windows issue, because even on Linux I'm pretty sure NTFS is noticeably slower than ext[234], but not as slow as on Windows.

I doubt there is any actual fundamental barrier, rather the reason is simply that the primary workload that Linus himself runs benefits greatly from faster metadata lookups, and therefore every nook and cranny of it has been optimized to as fast as possible.

In contrast, while metadata performance is sluggish in NTFS, at least a few years ago there were ways to get better large transaction async file performance than ext4 if you knew what you were doing -- clearly that workload was something that customers had asked for.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by AsyncAwait »

disiplus wrote: post #191
monkmartinez wrote: post #119

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Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…

i was in the same boot as OP, ordered maxed out XPS15 whiped windows from them and installed latest version of ubuntu. but i had problems with 4K display, hdpi support in ubuntu is shit if you want different dislplays with different dpis, and wayland is still not really production ready. And then is the support for GPU, drivers for nvidia, it would get so hot that i could almost burn my hands. so i returned the XPS a…

From my experience, both KDE Plasma 5 and GNOME 3 work pretty well on high DPI displays, not so much Unity 7.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pnutjam »

teekert wrote: post #214
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

MS Office for Linux. That's all I need, that's all I would miss in my current work environment (in the browser is just not cutting it atm).

I'm running opensuse so I have my office 365 in a browser, :(

As an aside, opensuse is a great linux for laptops. IMHO, it has better hardware support then Ubuntu and it's a more consistent experience moving between the console and different GUI's.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by pnutjam »

m_st wrote: post #178
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

I share your pain! I have a Dell XPS15 (i7 4K 9550) at work and Macs (rMBP and iMac) at home. Me too I was hoping to finally get a PC that was of similar quality, given that it is just as expensive as the rMBP. But boy was I wrong! Of course I did a clean install with just the drivers. But even like that, when it was new, I got 1 BSOD for every piece of software I installed. No joke. Even now, after almost 2 years an…

I'm running OpenSUSE on my Dell, IMHO, it has better hardware support then Ubuntu.

Visual Studio is available on linux: https://code.visualstudio.com/download

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by necessity »

blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

A developer blaming "hangs" on the hardware and thinking Macs are good lol... No wonder it's a web dev

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by macns »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #248
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

Just wondering, why not put Linux on the XPS directly and keep your old MBP for office and such?

I was about to say something similar, his dev enviroment is perfectly fine with linux, why not try that as well? It's not a very steep learning curve for simple shell commands in everyday tasks. Debian-based distros like ubuntu or debian desktop are rock-solid, fast and reliable, and popular enough to find quick answers when stuck.

For the record, I'm working with similar technologies(sql, go, linux boxes) - mostly with a text editor (ST3) on a few different machines: Best experience is with a desktop running ubuntu on a dual 1920x1200 screen setup. My 2015 macbook air is still blazing fast (running el capitan), and a smaller 2010 thinkpad running ubuntu is also pretty fast and stable to work with. All machines have i5 cpus and SSD disks, though.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by eksemplar »

staticelf wrote: post #207
eksemplar wrote: post #114

I've been a Microsoft developer for a long time, but in recent years it's become increasingly hard to justify and the Linux subsystem hasn't helped. Not because it's not an interesting feature, but because my desktop has become even more useless as anything but development than it already was with Visual Studio infecting everything. I'm sure it's a step in the right direction for a lot of people, but I bought an old…

Funny because I used to be a "Linux developer", if there is such a thing, for a long time. But nowadays I consider myself a developer who has invested my time and energy into the Microsoft ecosystem. Why? Because never before have I felt so productive on Windows and together with my dissatisfaction with desktop linux it was an easy choice. With .NET Core, the console actually gets usable and today Powershell is simpl…

Try pushing your .net core project to your iis and see what happens.

I mean, it's not like it's impossible to get a .core project to run behind your iis, it's just not easy.

Then try doing something like the EU standards for SAML authentication which is the easiest thing in the world in a lot of other environments yet is really terrible in .net.

If Azure was my production environment I probably wouldn't be unhappy either.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by josteink »

ulyssesgrant wrote: post #173
blunte wrote: post #116

Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…

Yes! I primarily develop on Linux, but lately have been working on Windows porting. In many ways the WSL has been a massive savior. It makes developing on Windows at least possible for Linux users. But it's sooo slooow. The performance bottlenecks I hit seem to be disk i/o related. Things from path tab completion on the command line, to Vim's YouCompleteMe compiling code in the background, to a plain "git status", ar…

> If Microsoft can fix these performance issues, and someone ships a better terminal replacement (currently using ConEmu, also has issues)

wsl-terminal works for me.

https://github.com/goreliu/wsl-terminal

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