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How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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I don't play EVE because there are already enough demands on my time, but damned if this commercial (entirely done with voice comms) hasn't come close to pushing me over the edge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0

This is a more realistic version, IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A

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If I had a life to spare, I'd play EVE... I'd love to watch some kind of weekly news round up, is there anything like that?

http://evenews24.com/ EVE is a lot more fun to read about than it is to play it. You aren't missing all that much by not playing it...

I do not agree. To me it sounds a little bit like saying 'life is not so much fun'. You can enjoy it if you decide to make it enjoyable. EVE online allows that kind of behavior which makes it a unique game in my opinion.

That's how I try to play the game and have had so many thrilling moments. I'm not even in a corp, I play solo but have so much fun with the game!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just can't shake the feeling that it's stuck in an evolutionary treadmill of sorts, where things are changed just for the sake of change, and not pursuant to a strong overarching ideal or vision that was present in the earlier days of CCP. I got the impression that the recent-ish sovereignty changes were enacted with some grander vision in mind, but then again I've been inactive for a while so idk.

That or it was a reactionary move in response to waning playerbase numbers. I do recall a lot of people being burnt out from sov grinds on the old mechanics. For a while most sov was largely controlled by two major power blocs, so there was quite a bit of stagnation.

I was one of those players, I was with BRAVE up until just before their collapse. Trying to get us a foothold in nullsec was a tedious grind, and took a very visible toll on the morale of the rank-and-file members. We had some fun, but it was nowhere near as fun as the heady days of Rahadalon and the Syndicate deployment. But of course we were outgrowing that mode of play, but we couldn't put up a serious fight against the major sov-blocks either.

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https://crossingzebras.com/ is a decent source

Any idea what in-game entity is behind that? I've been out of the loop. I know Imperium.news used to be The Mittani and is basically a propaganda outlet for Goonswarm's power bloc. Likewise evenews24.com at least used to be under the control of NC./PL as a more subtle propaganda outlet, but I've no idea what its deal is today. I have to admit that when out-of-game news sites serve as a mechanism of information warfar…

Then you'll be disappointed to know that crossing zebras appears to be the least interesting of them all. :P

The founders: Xander Phoena, Niden, and Jeg Elsker hail from different groups. The corp, Zebra Corp, that the rag gets its name from, has been a part of several different major alliances, ranging from CO2, to Goonswarm, but doesn't appear to have any bearing on the reporting, itself.

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Been to Fanfest, met Mittens (and Vile Rat, RIP :() For those not aware, Vile Rat, AKA Sean Smith [0], was one of the 4 Americans killed by terrorists in Benghazi, Libya on 09/11/2012. This is an excerpt from a Kotaku piece on him (which has some good stories about his EVE exploits as well as real life stories [1]): For the State Department, he was an Information Management Officer. He was an expert IT guy who signed…

There's also this 10min podcast episode[0] with one of his friends. [0] http://www.wnyc.org/story/11-rip-vile-rat/

Thanks for the link, emerongi.

BTW, this isn't just some random podcast -- TLDR was a podcast put out by "On the Media" [0], the (US) public radio show that dissects how news is presented to the public, how the media works, etc. This episode was released in Jan. 2014.

A month later, a version of this TLDR episode was broadcast on the actual "On The Media" radio show [0] -- basically it's the podcast-episode with some added introductory material about the Benghazi story, narrated by Bob Garfield, one of the show's hosts.

(BTW, if you listened to the podcast link from emerongi above, there's no real reason to listen to the "On the Media" link below [1], but as someone familiar with the radio show, I found it interesting to see how it was presented on the actual show).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Media

[1] https://www.wnyc.org/story/rip-vile-rat-2/

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That or it was a reactionary move in response to waning playerbase numbers. I do recall a lot of people being burnt out from sov grinds on the old mechanics. For a while most sov was largely controlled by two major power blocs, so there was quite a bit of stagnation.

I was one of those players, I was with BRAVE up until just before their collapse. Trying to get us a foothold in nullsec was a tedious grind, and took a very visible toll on the morale of the rank-and-file members. We had some fun, but it was nowhere near as fun as the heady days of Rahadalon and the Syndicate deployment. But of course we were outgrowing that mode of play, but we couldn't put up a serious fight again…

I used to be a line guy in CFC for a couple years. As cool as being part of historic battles was, the sov grinds really can wear you down. The propaganda also became painfully transparent to the point that it was cringe-inducing drivel intended to keep the meat grinder going. I'm not saying that was never its intent in the first place, but it certainly had more swagger in the early days.

Around when TEST collapsed I jumped ship over to NC./PL's side of the fence. It was far more demanding, but the game actually became fun again. When you have (at the time) the largest supercapital fleet in the game on short notice ready to back you up, it was possible to do stupid stuff like take a dozen guys and go kill some dude's titan on a whim.

Sov grinds were oddly more fun as well, because we were incredibly outnumbered in subcap fights. I recall defending one system against about 1200 CFC players, and our numbers were about 300. We'd switch between AHAC/Ishtar/T3 doctrines, with enemy fleets dying faster than they could reship from nearby staging. Good times, but even that turned into a grind after a while.

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The citadel is the biggest player owned object in the Eve universe, right? Maybe that's what they meant by biggest.

It is but it's value with fittings is only ~300 billion isk (the eve currency) which isn't that much when we're talking isk at the alliance level.

It's the biggest. Rough value of the alliance wallet, srp program and all the citadels (not just the keepstar) is about 1.4 trillion.

And yes, the Keepstar is the biggest of the citadels (the smaller ones are Fortizars and Astrahauses).

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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For current and past Eve players: How does Eve compare to the glory days of Ultima Online (1997-1998)? I've always wanted to try another MMO with the same level of freedom and consequence as early UO. Is Eve worth a try or are they just too different to compare?

I've never played UO, but if it's freedom and consequence you want then EvE is what you want to try.

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Goonswarm strikes again! RIP: vilerat. Hope you're somewhere laughing your ass off about this knowing that your legacy lives on.

I don't really think we had that much to do with it. As much as I find it kinda funny. I feel sorry for the line members tho. When The Judge said he didn't mean to screw over line members, I don't know how he said that with a straight face.

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I really like these Eve stories that show off the worse of humanity! They portray a reality where there are relatively few consequences for the human, so huge risks might be undertaken. If you die, your avatar has simply died. OK, you might have invested literally months-years into forming it, but still it's not the physical unique you. You can always create a new sock puppet to rule the world.

I liken it more to playing a game like Diplomacy. It's a sandbox that gives you a safe place to RP some really dastardly, evil shit. If everyone has a level head, you can go and enjoy a beer together afterwards and start over.

Yes, but in this instance he's taken assets that take a very long time to build up and left the alliance in a position which they're going to find very hard to come back from. I'm not sure many people will keep a level head there.
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