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How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by nottorp »

JWLong wrote: post #50
nottorp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article says they were both CSM members and that the turning happened due to face to face conversations while they were in Iceland on CCP's dime. Would they have been on friendly enough terms to pull this off if they weren't meeting regularly due to being on the CSM? I don't think so...

The text added is, of course, a joke, but the image is real: https://i.redditmedia.com/E44ciq7vb9r1t9sAzo3giCym74vSloIyK7... This is Judge posing for a picture with Aryth's alliance leader, The Mittani, at Fanfest. Every major alliance leader has been to the pubcrawl that CCP puts together, for each fanfest. 99% of attendees pay their own way.

Fanfest is one thing, regular meetings in a small group that not any player can get on is another...

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by thg »

tudorw wrote: post #12

If I had a life to spare, I'd play EVE... I'd love to watch some kind of weekly news round up, is there anything like that?

http://evenews24.com/

EVE is a lot more fun to read about than it is to play it. You aren't missing all that much by not playing it...

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by yannis7 »

thg wrote: post #52
tudorw wrote: post #12

If I had a life to spare, I'd play EVE... I'd love to watch some kind of weekly news round up, is there anything like that?

http://evenews24.com/ EVE is a lot more fun to read about than it is to play it. You aren't missing all that much by not playing it...

EVE is even more fun to listen to... I often have the soundtrack playing while working

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by JWLong »

mattmanser wrote: post #43
JWLong wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble with trying to play any of those games, after having played Eve, is that none of them measure up. :/ Longinius Spear once quoted Ernest Hemmingway, in a presentation at Eve: Vegas, "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ddR7W4LmR8

That's simply not true, eventually you'll realize it's all a big con and it really is far more enjoyable playing those other games. Personally I think that if you believe that you're still in the delusion phase where you're projecting your fantasy of what playing Eve should be like, compared to what playing Eve is actually like. That fantasy lasted a long time for me, like 3/4 years. In reality battles are copying so…

1) No. I don't play any more. I do, however, play Dota and CS:GO, on occasion. 2) I lived in wormhole space. You're describing null bloc fights. 3) You're describing null bloc fights, again. We would get multiple fights per day. More than we could reasonably take, really. 4) The thrill in Eve, for me, is that is takes skill to pull off anything noteworthy. It's like a 4X version of Dark Souls, with the multi-person coordination requirements of a MilSim.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by rl3 »

s_kilk wrote: post #42
rl3 wrote: post #31

It's nice to see treachery is alive and well in EVE. I started playing EVE just prior to the Trinity expansion release in 2008, and played up until 2013. During that time I was fortunate to watch the game evolve in so many fantastic ways (walking in stations aside). I owe an unbelievable amount of fond memories to the game, most of which involved treachery (albiet on a somewhat smaller scale). That said, many of the…

> I just can't shake the feeling that it's stuck in an evolutionary treadmill of sorts, where things are changed just for the sake of change, and not pursuant to a strong overarching ideal or vision that was present in the earlier days of CCP. I got the impression that the recent-ish sovereignty changes were enacted with some grander vision in mind, but then again I've been inactive for a while so idk.

That or it was a reactionary move in response to waning playerbase numbers.

I do recall a lot of people being burnt out from sov grinds on the old mechanics. For a while most sov was largely controlled by two major power blocs, so there was quite a bit of stagnation.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by thg »

gcp wrote: post #23
tudorw wrote: post #12

If I had a life to spare, I'd play EVE... I'd love to watch some kind of weekly news round up, is there anything like that?

imperium.news As explained elsewhere, don't expect to find 100% objective reporting anywhere.

> don't expect to find 100% objective reporting anywhere.

Especially not there. imperium.news is a propaganda website first and a news website second.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by thg »

rl3 wrote: post #31

It's nice to see treachery is alive and well in EVE. I started playing EVE just prior to the Trinity expansion release in 2008, and played up until 2013. During that time I was fortunate to watch the game evolve in so many fantastic ways (walking in stations aside). I owe an unbelievable amount of fond memories to the game, most of which involved treachery (albiet on a somewhat smaller scale). That said, many of the…

> I don't know how true that sentiment is, but it certainly feels that way. Of course, it's always possible we're just a bunch of really biased bittervets.

I'm a very bitter vet myself, so take it with a grain of salt, but you're essentially correct. Space hasn't been as empty as it is today in over a decade, if ever before. Active player numbers are in the basement and falling and CCP is now even advertising starter packs with "More weapon slots, More damage, More tank". They are removing valid complexity and gameplay options left and right to "remove developer burden" (they removed the granular sound options a while ago because "almost nobody was using them" and made the game unplayable for me and many others unless we turn sound off completely).

The EVE of today is not the EVE you once knew. It's lost its soul in favor of making as much money as possible out of an ever shrinking player base.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by rl3 »

JWLong wrote: post #26
tudorw wrote: post #12

If I had a life to spare, I'd play EVE... I'd love to watch some kind of weekly news round up, is there anything like that?

https://crossingzebras.com/ is a decent source

Any idea what in-game entity is behind that? I've been out of the loop.

I know Imperium.news used to be The Mittani and is basically a propaganda outlet for Goonswarm's power bloc.

Likewise evenews24.com at least used to be under the control of NC./PL as a more subtle propaganda outlet, but I've no idea what its deal is today.

I have to admit that when out-of-game news sites serve as a mechanism of information warfare, it speaks very well of EVE's metagame.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by rl3 »

thg wrote: post #57
rl3 wrote: post #31

It's nice to see treachery is alive and well in EVE. I started playing EVE just prior to the Trinity expansion release in 2008, and played up until 2013. During that time I was fortunate to watch the game evolve in so many fantastic ways (walking in stations aside). I owe an unbelievable amount of fond memories to the game, most of which involved treachery (albiet on a somewhat smaller scale). That said, many of the…

> I don't know how true that sentiment is, but it certainly feels that way. Of course, it's always possible we're just a bunch of really biased bittervets. I'm a very bitter vet myself, so take it with a grain of salt, but you're essentially correct. Space hasn't been as empty as it is today in over a decade, if ever before. Active player numbers are in the basement and falling and CCP is now even advertising starter…

Well, that's an incredibly grim assessment. I can't imagine playing without granular sound settings.

At least the game's IP should be dirt cheap on firesale after it runs aground.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Post by forgingahead »

For current and past Eve players: How does Eve compare to the glory days of Ultima Online (1997-1998)? I've always wanted to try another MMO with the same level of freedom and consequence as early UO. Is Eve worth a try or are they just too different to compare?
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