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How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #34

The way I see it, they abused their position in the CSM for in game advantages. When one random player betrays another, that's fine. This wouldn't have happened if they weren't on the CSM though, which is something out of game. They should be permanently banned from both the game and their CSM positions instead of being made heroes.

CSM positions do not appear to have been abused. Not sure where you're getting this information. The fact that Judge was a CSM member is almost tangential to the whole story.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #31

It's nice to see treachery is alive and well in EVE. I started playing EVE just prior to the Trinity expansion release in 2008, and played up until 2013. During that time I was fortunate to watch the game evolve in so many fantastic ways (walking in stations aside). I owe an unbelievable amount of fond memories to the game, most of which involved treachery (albiet on a somewhat smaller scale). That said, many of the…

> I just can't shake the feeling that it's stuck in an evolutionary treadmill of sorts, where things are changed just for the sake of change, and not pursuant to a strong overarching ideal or vision that was present in the earlier days of CCP.

I got the impression that the recent-ish sovereignty changes were enacted with some grander vision in mind, but then again I've been inactive for a while so idk.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big trouble with eve is the time/reward factor. Ultimately you can spend a whole night trying to find fights in Eve and get 2 or 3 fights that last 20 seconds. Or you can play 10 matches of overwatch or CS:Go or DOTA that last 30 minutes in the same time. It still doesn't have a decent competitor though, elite dangerous is rubbish, still waiting on Star Citizen.

The trouble with trying to play any of those games, after having played Eve, is that none of them measure up. :/ Longinius Spear once quoted Ernest Hemmingway, in a presentation at Eve: Vegas, "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ddR7W4LmR8

That's simply not true, eventually you'll realize it's all a big con and it really is far more enjoyable playing those other games.

Personally I think that if you believe that you're still in the delusion phase where you're projecting your fantasy of what playing Eve should be like, compared to what playing Eve is actually like. That fantasy lasted a long time for me, like 3/4 years.

In reality battles are copying someone's prescribed fit, click a direction to align, letting your squad leader warp you. Eventually you might actually get a fight, which consists entirely of clicking the first name on an alphabetically sorted list and pressing F1. There's no skill, only the adrenaline rush of losing something you spent 2 weeks grinding for.

And don't forget, you spend 2 hours or even days between each of these battles waiting to even start the fight.

The big contradiction in Eve is that the thrill comes from permadeath, but it's only a thrill because the grinding is onerous. If everyone had infinite isk, no-one would play it because the fundamental combat gameplay is super boring.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

#45
post #34

The way I see it, they abused their position in the CSM for in game advantages. When one random player betrays another, that's fine. This wouldn't have happened if they weren't on the CSM though, which is something out of game. They should be permanently banned from both the game and their CSM positions instead of being made heroes.

I assume this could've been set up through in-game communication as well. So it doesn't really make a difference.

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #41
post #34

The way I see it, they abused their position in the CSM for in game advantages. When one random player betrays another, that's fine. This wouldn't have happened if they weren't on the CSM though, which is something out of game. They should be permanently banned from both the game and their CSM positions instead of being made heroes.

CSM positions do not appear to have been abused. Not sure where you're getting this information. The fact that Judge was a CSM member is almost tangential to the whole story.

Article says they were both CSM members and that the turning happened due to face to face conversations while they were in Iceland on CCP's dime.

Would they have been on friendly enough terms to pull this off if they weren't meeting regularly due to being on the CSM? I don't think so...

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I played EVE for the better part of about 10 years. Been to Fanfest, met Mittens (and Vile Rat, RIP :() and all that. I owe my closest friendships and even my career to EVE. I'll expand on this in a bit. While I did spend a few years floundering around in the game like most players do, I was lucky enough to get close to the major political action early on when the first alliance I was a part of, ISS, collapsed. The t…

Been to Fanfest, met Mittens (and Vile Rat, RIP :() For those not aware, Vile Rat, AKA Sean Smith [0], was one of the 4 Americans killed by terrorists in Benghazi, Libya on 09/11/2012. This is an excerpt from a Kotaku piece on him (which has some good stories about his EVE exploits as well as real life stories [1]): For the State Department, he was an Information Management Officer. He was an expert IT guy who signed…

There's also this 10min podcast episode[0] with one of his friends.

[0] http://www.wnyc.org/story/11-rip-vile-rat/

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I played EVE for the better part of about 10 years. Been to Fanfest, met Mittens (and Vile Rat, RIP :() and all that. I owe my closest friendships and even my career to EVE. I'll expand on this in a bit. While I did spend a few years floundering around in the game like most players do, I was lucky enough to get close to the major political action early on when the first alliance I was a part of, ISS, collapsed. The t…

Been to Fanfest, met Mittens (and Vile Rat, RIP :() For those not aware, Vile Rat, AKA Sean Smith [0], was one of the 4 Americans killed by terrorists in Benghazi, Libya on 09/11/2012. This is an excerpt from a Kotaku piece on him (which has some good stories about his EVE exploits as well as real life stories [1]): For the State Department, he was an Information Management Officer. He was an expert IT guy who signed…

And there's this memorial [0] from EVE new-service imperium.news which explains his contribution to the game :

An excerpt -- I added a few paragraph-breaks:

If you play this stupid game, you may not realize it, but you play in a galaxy created in large part by Vile Rat’s talent as a diplomat. No one focused as relentlessly on using diplomacy as a strategic tool as VR. Mercenary Coalition flipped sides in the Great War in large part because of Vile Rat’s influence, and if that hadn’t happened GSF probably would have never taken out BoB.

Jabberlon5? VR made it. You may not even know what Jabberlon5 is, but it’s the smoke-filled jabber room where every nullsec personage of note hangs out and makes deals.

Goonswarm has succeeded over the years in large part because of VR’s emphasis on diplomacy, to the point of creating an entire section with a staff of 10+ called Corps Diplomatique, something no other alliance has. He had the vision and the understanding to see three steps ahead of everyone else – in the game, on the CSM, and when giving real-world advice.

Vile Rat was a spy for the Goonfleet Intelligence Agency. He infiltrated Lotka Volterra; he and I cooked up a scheme where we faked VR blowing up one of Sorenson’s haulers full of zydrine in Syndicate – this was back in 06 when zydrine mattered – and that proved to Lotka Volterra that he had gone ‘fuck goons’. BoB invaded Syndicate, then shortly thereafter GSF went to Insmother, allied with Red Alliance, and plowed over Lotka Volterra’s territory, all with Vile Rat’s aid. He came back in from the cold and became one of the most key players in the GSF directorate.

His influence over the grand game and the affairs of Nullsec cannot be overstated. If you were an alliance leader of any consequence, you spoke to Vile Rat. You knew him. You may have been a friend or an enemy or a pawn in a greater game, but he touched every aspect of EVE in ways that 99% of the population will never understand.

[0] https://imperium.news/rip-vile-rat/

Re: How Eve Players Pulled Off the Biggest Betrayal in Its History

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post #46
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CSM positions do not appear to have been abused. Not sure where you're getting this information. The fact that Judge was a CSM member is almost tangential to the whole story.

Article says they were both CSM members and that the turning happened due to face to face conversations while they were in Iceland on CCP's dime. Would they have been on friendly enough terms to pull this off if they weren't meeting regularly due to being on the CSM? I don't think so...

The text added is, of course, a joke, but the image is real:

https://i.redditmedia.com/E44ciq7vb9r1t9sAzo3giCym74vSloIyK7...

This is Judge posing for a picture with Aryth's alliance leader, The Mittani, at Fanfest.

Every major alliance leader has been to the pubcrawl that CCP puts together, for each fanfest. 99% of attendees pay their own way.

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