> Imagine a Linux setup where you can launch PowerPoint without a VM Wine?
Yes but does not work right now with office 2016 unless it changed recently.
What's wrong with office 2002?
Windows for Linux Nerds
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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…
As OP mentioned, he probably doesn't want to turn off his system. This is problem I have with a dual boot system, even with the ability to save state. Unless I absolutely have to, I'd rather keep running macOS's
With the problems I see on the mac forums regarding the new MBP's, I don't think turning off the system is going to be much of an issue.
That said, I understand not wanting to restart in order to get work done. However, I am looking at it with the perspective that I will be able to fully focus on the tasks at hand (ala Deep Work by Cal Newport), in a distraction free environment.
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#133Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…
Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…
I'm in a similar predicament to OP. I prefer Linux in most cases, it's what I'm used to. But I need or would vastly prefer one or the other depending on what I'm doing. A VM is fine for just checking outlook..or using Skype for chat and things like that. But the second I need to use an IDE for Windows development, it's too slow to bear. Having better interchangeability between these two would make my life significantly better. Whether that be a stronger Linux subsystem for Windows, or a Windows subsystem for Linux.
Of course, I work at Microsoft. That being said, many devs I see are open to or enjoy using Linux--myself included. I think, and hope, we'll see continued growth in support for it. Though, I have little to no influence over such things.
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#134Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…
Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…
I did almost this exact thing a few years ago and I've been super happy. Two points of advice:
1. Check hardware compatibility _before_ you order your laptop. Intel video drivers and wifi drivers are open source and reliable. Stay away from Broadcom, and unless you plan to do gaming, stay away from Nvidia (tho modern Ubuntu makes nvidia pretty darn easy). 2. Pick a DE (I recommend Gnome 3, but KDE is great too) and learn the shortcut keys. Expect a day or two of spinup time. If you go with Gnome, make use of the Gnome Tweak Tool and the super key shortcuts.
Good luck! This is exciting :-)
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#135A lot of snarky comments here, but I've been using Ubuntu shell on Win 10 for the past few weeks and it's really fantastic. Way faster than a VM and much more compatible than cygwin or msys.
What's your work flow like? Do you have to keep files / directories separated based on using whether your using bash or windows?
Not the parent, but also someone using WSL: Generally not, that is for me the main benefit of using WSL.
Files in the Windows file system can easily be accessed from the Linux side (C: appears as /mnt/c), so I basically do everything shell-based in WSL Bash and at the same time can access files there with my Windows-based GUI tools. I've tried that before with VM setups, and sharing filesystem folders gave me way more trouble there. You can't access the linux filesystem with Windows tools, but I haven't really missed that, since I seldom touch files there directly, and if I do they are text files that are easily edited in vim.
It's pretty good, although you'll find the occasional program that won't run due to missing syscalls (or needs a special flag to be convinced to run) and I'd love if they shipped a working X setup.
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#136If you need to access files in VolFS, you can use bash.exe to copy them somewhere under /mnt/c, use Windows to do whatever on it, then use bash.exe to copy them back when you are done. IMHO this is the worst-designed(?) part of the whole WSL. Copying files back and forth is the antithesis of a "seamless Windows and Linux experience", to put it mildly. From that perspective it's no better than running an isolated VM.…
That sounds EXACTLY how I used to cheat at Nethack to create a saved game when I was a kid with a .bat file that would drop out of a game of nethack, then copy the game file to a .bak file. then I could go back into the into the game and not worry about dying - and I had the keystrokes down to where I could do them blind and effectively save my game in 5 seconds any time I wanted and be back playing. I was 10 years old.
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry that we don't provide a way to access the Linux portion of the file system directly from Windows yet. It's annoying, and we are working to improve it. For many use cases it suffices to symlink a Windows directory (e.g. /mnt/c/Users/myuser) into your WSL $HOME directory somewhere and do your source work, builds, etc. in that path. This breaks down if you need certain features that aren't supported on these f…
I know this probably goes well beyond the scope of your department but here is my wishlist that would convince me to buy windows: 1. Support for ZFS (and future open source filesystems as they appear) 2. The ability to control every service running, and good honest descriptions of what each service does. The ability to control all the servers my computer is connecting to and a transparent view of the information they…
Shh don't tell them about ZFS. That's FreeBSD's killer feature!
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#138Not sure how WSL is more compelling than using docker containers. I can very easily download, compile and run basically anything I want with minimal friction and way less domain knowledge than managing a VM.
Also, this might just be me being snarky, but MS is absolutely losing the battle for developer tooling and that's what's prompted them to try to sway developers back to their ecosystem. If the circumstances were any different, I'm sure they'd be perfectly happy letting us suffer using cygwin and putty.
Don't trust a snake.
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#139Want to _really_ impress us, Microsoft? Give us a Windows Subsystem for Linux. I chose a maxxed out Dell XPS15 laptop with Windows 10 to replace my 3 year old rMBP with the (foolish) expectation that it could replace my Mac. Apple had lost sight of what mattered to developers, and I was angry. But now, 2 months later, here I continue developing and existing on my old rMBP. Bash in Windows is incredibly slow on some a…
Why not dual boot linux and windows 10 or use a Linux VM? It takes like 10-15 seconds to reboot a machine these days. I am about to take the plunge toward a ThinkPad after many years with OSX (I haven't upgraded my 2011 17" to macOS). My plan is to try dual booting linux and/or using a Linux VM. I think the biggest hurdle will be changing my mindset. That is, looking for the OSX version of whatever it is I am looking…
by dual booting and using Linux for your hardcore development your basically ceding that Windows sucks at this. I agree honestly it's sad that Windows is not POSIX compliant, why can't I run bash, GIT, ssh, and a decent package manager on Windows? that will be it's downfall because the hardcore devs are all on Linux and OS X
Re: Windows for Linux Nerds
#140> Imagine a Linux setup where you can launch PowerPoint without a VM Wine?
Why not use a browser based presentation app like Google Slides and not deal with stupid proprietary software that won't run on anything but a windows or mac machine?