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Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by domenukk »

newman8r wrote: post #12
santoshalper wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ I think the linux desktop user experience has improved exponentially over the last few years, you should give it another shot.

Looks have improved a fair amount. The normal user still wouldn't know how to install any software they know on it, however. And I'm not talking about an open-source alternative from apt.

Also, touch screens <3

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by tootie »

A lot of snarky comments here, but I've been using Ubuntu shell on Win 10 for the past few weeks and it's really fantastic. Way faster than a VM and much more compatible than cygwin or msys.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by craftyguy »

santoshalper wrote: post #6
bactrian wrote: post #2

This post was interesting in a morbid way but you can count the Linux nerds that want leave the open world of Linux for Microsoft very easily. They all work at Microsoft. Microsoft is losing on mobile, desktop, servers, and IoT. Their entire ecosystem is a technological deadend. If you're a Linux Nerd, you should probably keep using Linux if you care about having a good career going forward.

Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

My sister, who majored in philosophy and is in absolutely no way technologically adept, has been a fulltime linux user for 12 years now (including 4 years in university).

My partner, who is a grade school teacher and is in no way interested in learning about technology, has been using it full time for 2 years now.

My dad, a 6 year user (4 years fulltime), same story about level of tech competence...

There are others. I suspect that you are expecting to not have to learn anything new and are looking for a visually identical Windows clone.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by domenukk »

taylodl wrote: post #8
cwyers wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Losing on desktop. Yeah, any decade now. There is of course a constituency of Linux Nerds primed to move to Windows: people who want to develop software for Linux servers but don't want to run Linux on the desktop. Many of those people are using OS X, which is POSIX enough to run some Linux software unmodified. WSL is a way to target those people, who may be being left behind by Apple's changing strategy in laptops (…

How healthy is the desktop market outside of the corporate environment? Consumers seem largely content with phones and tablets.

Tablets are still a thing? Large phones and Laptops is what my bubble uses.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by jcastro »

newman8r wrote: post #12
santoshalper wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ I think the linux desktop user experience has improved exponentially over the last few years, you should give it another shot.

Nice UIs won't fix people's broadcom wireless cards.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by stevenjohns »

santoshalper wrote: post #6
bactrian wrote: post #2

This post was interesting in a morbid way but you can count the Linux nerds that want leave the open world of Linux for Microsoft very easily. They all work at Microsoft. Microsoft is losing on mobile, desktop, servers, and IoT. Their entire ecosystem is a technological deadend. If you're a Linux Nerd, you should probably keep using Linux if you care about having a good career going forward.

Linux still sucks shit on the Desktop. I try it every year, and every year it sucks very slightly less. It goes beyond drivers and application compatibility, Linux distros are ugly and the people making them have no taste. The Desktop/Laptop market is not nearly as important as it used to be, but within that space, Microsoft's dominance is about as strong as ever. Apple might have been able to take a dent out of it i…

Elementary OS[0] is visually very nice, especially after a slight theme change[1], but the core team behind it makes quite radical changes and decisions about what the OS should be (mostly about how it should be an unmodifiable, unchangeable "OS for dummies") that is starting to push me away.

Especially when basic things like taking a screenshot with your keyboard, as well as setting up hot keys, has been broken for a year[2]. The eOS team appears to be more focused on forcing Windows 10-style OS updates that download in the background - even over metered connections - and force you to restart[3].

[0] https://elementary.io/

[1] https://wefunkster.deviantart.com/art/OSe-Light-Xtrlght-GTK-...

[2] https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/7703/unable...

[3] https://www.bountysource.com/issues/43123447-automatic-secur...

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by MilnerRoute »

domenukk wrote: post #21
newman8r wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ I think the linux desktop user experience has improved exponentially over the last few years, you should give it another shot.

Looks have improved a fair amount. The normal user still wouldn't know how to install any software they know on it, however. And I'm not talking about an open-source alternative from apt. Also, touch screens <3

For what it's worth, for software installation there's now "snaps," the new "universal Linux package" format that Canonical has been pushing.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by arvinsim »

seiferteric wrote: post #9
taylodl wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How healthy is the desktop market outside of the corporate environment? Consumers seem largely content with phones and tablets.

Pretty much, even as a developer, I feel the desktop paradigm is less and less important each year since I mostly only use a web browser and a terminal.

I assume that is because you can SSH into the machine of your choice?

Most of the developers who don't live in a country with fast internet connection will still continue using a desktop for the foreseeable future.

Re: Windows for Linux Nerds

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Post by damieng »

seiferteric wrote: post #11
hacking_again wrote: post #5

Why not just use Cygwin?

I mostly agree. I have used cygwin for years when forced to use windows and have had mostly a great experience. In the article she mentions launching windows programs from the shell as if it's a great new thing... you could always do that from cygwin.... The only thing this gets you (i think) is not having to recompile programs.

You get much more than that - you are installing native binaries direct from apt-get.

No waiting for ports, patches, recompilation or people trying to get the latest version working on cygwin.

It pulls binaries direct from Ubuntu as if you were on a Linux box and just runs them.

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