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Many of those shifts from a majority male workforce to a majority female workforce seem to happen quickly (or even abruptly) at around the 1960s/1970s. I'm not well versed in American history. Did anything significant happen then to cause this, or is it just an interesting anomaly?

Yes, the Women's liberation movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation_movement#...

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I've said this before, but technology progress is the reason women now work outside the home. Not societal progress.

Tasks that took all day in the 1900s - 1930s are now completely outdated or take minutes instead of hours. A housewife today would be bored out of her mind relative to how much work a 1900s era housewife had to do.

Making 3 meals from near-scratch for 6+ people every day, raising 6-10 children so they could help on the farm, making and hand cleaning your family's own clothes, fetching water because you did not have home plumbing, etc etc etc.

Today doing these tasks is either trivial or not necessary. Food prep has changed dramatically (freezers, microwaves, affordable food delivery, gas stoves, plumbing). As has the number of children because we no longer use child labor for farming.

The movement of women into jobs outside of the home was a change brought primarily through tech innovations. Not feminist protesting, a societal "wake up" or anything like that. Additionally calling a 1990s era housewife as "not in the labor force" is pretty condescending given how much work they did in the home.

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post #82

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That is highly discussed issue in pedagogic cycles - how to get and keep more males. For years. The answer usually ends up "yes, but they would come only if there would be higher social status and salaries for teachers". And no one knows how to achieve that. It is possible that money is not the only thing to keep males away, I dont recall any studies. Just that is the usual assumption. The fact that male teachers ten…

I've heard from male teachers that teaching younger children isn't worth the risk (perceived or real) of baseless accusations ruining them. They much preferred to teach high school or above.

If the risk is perceived higher with small children and lower with teenagers, then it is 100% on adults.

No amount of money will overcome "they suspect me to be predator" social pressure.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Assuming you mean that men have jobs with higher average salaries, there are still implications beyond that. Do men have higher salaries because they are more likely to consider salary when choosing a job? Do women have lower salaries due to sexism? Some combination of the two? Something else?

> Something else? Here's one more thing that might be a confounding factor - taller people have higher salaries [0], and on average men are taller than women. Maybe just a spurious correlation [1], but still interesting to think about. 0: https://www.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.ht... 1: http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

I'd love to know if women as tall as men get paid closer to men's salaries, as a group.

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>That seems high to me, from my own experiences. It's almost as if your own individual experiences are not indicative of population-level trends at large

Just a friendly reminder as I noticed you're new - patronising, nonproductive comments like this don't go over as well here as they do on reddit.

Your comment is equally patronizing.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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I've said this before, but technology progress is the reason women now work outside the home. Not societal progress. Tasks that took all day in the 1900s - 1930s are now completely outdated or take minutes instead of hours. A housewife today would be bored out of her mind relative to how much work a 1900s era housewife had to do. Making 3 meals from near-scratch for 6+ people every day, raising 6-10 children so they…

School is really societal progress. Many mothers stay at home with very young children, but K-12 is a free babysitter.

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Don't we need more men in primary and secondary school teaching? I would think so.

That is highly discussed issue in pedagogic cycles - how to get and keep more males. For years. The answer usually ends up "yes, but they would come only if there would be higher social status and salaries for teachers". And no one knows how to achieve that. It is possible that money is not the only thing to keep males away, I dont recall any studies. Just that is the usual assumption. The fact that male teachers ten…

It's a fascinating topic, really. It's almost like "women in tech", just for men in "teaching". Yet, the discussion is framed entirely differently and the reasons for its existence are somehow perfectly valid, items that "women in tech" advocates would not consider conceding/admitting for their own cause. Because that would run contrary to "structural oppression" by the males reason.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #116

I've said this before, but technology progress is the reason women now work outside the home. Not societal progress. Tasks that took all day in the 1900s - 1930s are now completely outdated or take minutes instead of hours. A housewife today would be bored out of her mind relative to how much work a 1900s era housewife had to do. Making 3 meals from near-scratch for 6+ people every day, raising 6-10 children so they…

School is really societal progress. Many mothers stay at home with very young children, but K-12 is a free babysitter.

We basically implemented public schooling as soon as it was technologically feasible.

The main issues were affording teachers, affording your kids to leave the farm, and affording transportation. The cost of books and classrooms was non-trivial for a long time as well.

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I think that regardless of your social or political stance of anything regarding males, females, workplaces, salaries, or sexism, more data is always nice to have. Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it.

Here, I'll give you some clickbait headlines for it. Choose at will.

Study: Workforce Is Changing, Yet Same Old Injustice Remains

Is Your Daughter Thinking of Being a Carpenter? Don't Bet On It!

The Disappearing Culture of Male Shoe Machine Operators/Tenders

The Most Male-Dominated Professions On Earth

We Set Out To Find What Jobs Are the Most "Male" - Here's What Happened Next!

This One Job Outpaced All Others For Attracting Women

Study Reveals Gender Bias in Every Single Job - Here Are Some of the Worst... And the Not-So-Bad

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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So according to that, software developers are around 20% female. That seems high to me, from my own experiences. Even still, with all the "let's get more women in tech" stuff I read, are there initiatives to get women in the other jobs even further to the left on that graph? (largely physical labor jobs)

And likewise, are there more initiatives to get men into jobs that are more heavily skewed towards women?
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