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Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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I think that regardless of your social or political stance of anything regarding males, females, workplaces, salaries, or sexism, more data is always nice to have. Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it.

Your statement has the potential to offend me. /s

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #9

I think that regardless of your social or political stance of anything regarding males, females, workplaces, salaries, or sexism, more data is always nice to have. Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it.

If these circles had average salaries attached to them, I'm sure the article would write itself.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Many of those shifts from a majority male workforce to a majority female workforce seem to happen quickly (or even abruptly) at around the 1960s/1970s. I'm not well versed in American history. Did anything significant happen then to cause this, or is it just an interesting anomaly?

For certain jobs like Bank Tellers or Travel Agents, it might have been computer terminal -> typing -> "woman's work".

My dad, for example, didn't learn how to type until the late 1990s.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #9

I think that regardless of your social or political stance of anything regarding males, females, workplaces, salaries, or sexism, more data is always nice to have. Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it.

> Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it. Not cynical enough. 5/10

Not obfuscated enough. 27/54

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #11

According to the first visual, secretaries are 108% female and carpenters are -10% female. Don't trust this data too much.

Yep, this is a typical example of statistical lying[1] - clearly the data is not represented in such a way that you can get the accurate numbers from the visualisation. I really don't understand why the parent is being downvoted.

[1] http://www.infovis-wiki.net/index.php?title=Lie_Factor

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #24
post #18

Interesting. One of the theories I've heard regarding a possible decline in educational quality in the US was that in the 50s, the most qualified women became educators due to a lack of other jobs, while today they become CEOs, etc. On the surface this data seems to contradict that.

I wonder how much of if the gender disparity in education is pure preconceived notions. "All my teachers were women", so women are more 'teacherly' and more likely to be hired. More recent fears over men in proximity to kids probably reinforces this. I've certainly heard the theory you suggest and it does seem to make sense. Perhaps the data doesn't show that because as smart women have 'left' teaching they've been b…

I would say this sort of thing goes well beyond gender and even "demographic" preconceived notions. I'm a freelance marketer and since I've had success in paid social in the past I am now the "paid social" guy despite the fact that I have a much broader skill set with areas I'm arguably more skilled in. I think human brains are lazy and just desperately want to put things in buckets.

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a selection of ones fluctuating. I'd be surprised if you would find any job typically female since 50s other than perhaps being a housekeeper and child care.

> I'd be surprised if you would find any job typically female since 50s other than perhaps being a housekeeper and child care. All still more than 70% female: Elementary school teacher Flight attendant Registered nurses, also vocational nurses Wait Staff Occupational Therapists

Social workers and mental health counselors are overwhelmingly female (and white.)

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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Many of those shifts from a majority male workforce to a majority female workforce seem to happen quickly (or even abruptly) at around the 1960s/1970s. I'm not well versed in American history. Did anything significant happen then to cause this, or is it just an interesting anomaly?

There are a variety of possible contributing factors, primarily that it was the era of "women's lib", or in full "women's liberation". IOW, "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant" began to go out the window. Along with that was the civil rights era, meaning at the least the idea of equality for all. In summary, the U. S. began, even if just a little bit, to pull its head out of its ass with…

> "a woman's place is in the home, preferably barefoot and pregnant"

Is this your own quote or something that was used before the women's lib era you reference ?

Re: Most Female and Male Occupations Since 1950

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post #9

I think that regardless of your social or political stance of anything regarding males, females, workplaces, salaries, or sexism, more data is always nice to have. Now I'm going to figure out how to twist this into fitting my own personal world view and then make a news article about it.

Data is nice, but please don't forget lots and lots of anecotes in your article!

There's a study that indicates an interesting trend: you can have articles that have hard data, have soft anecdotes, or have both. Of those, the ones that try to do both are significantly less convincing than the ones that solely focus on one approach.

I know a guy who loves articles that do both though, so YMMV.

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