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Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

zaphirplane wrote: post #158
mirimir wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, this! It's true that the process of setting up and managing websites can be daunting. Even using shared hosting, let alone on a VPS. And then there's the additional complexity of HTTPS, which is now pretty much the norm (even when not really needed, with no account creation or payment processing). Using Micah Lee's OnionShare, one can easily create Tor onion sites.[0] They can be transient (for file-sharing)…

people arguing (out of principal or to push their views) for some kind of freedom to publish on a for profit company's site are simply seeking that company's audience to spread their message

Sure... Since it is virtually impossible (for normal folks) to publish any other way.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

simonh wrote: post #196
KGIII wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this is the time or place, but what is it that you're calling hate speech and how is it 'highly destructive?' What prevents the user from selecting a different video and who is the arbiter of 'what makes sense and what doesn't?' I suppose those can be rhetorical questions, if you want. To be clear, I suspect I hold very extreme views on the concept of free speech, at least from your perspective. Lest you…

Do you think that she should be able to post this content because she's a white westerner that you like, while brown Muslims you don't like who posted the same material should not? Youtube has rules about the content they are willing to host and she knowingly violated those rules. Who she is any why she did it shouldn't come into it.

> Youtube has rules about the content they are willing to host and she knowingly violated those rules. Who she is any why she did it shouldn't come into it.

No, it shouldn't matter who she is. It matters that the rules are Wrong.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by doomslay »

KGIII wrote: post #7

Well, she is easier to defend than Nazis. So, here I go... Freedom of expression, not just free speech the legal concept, should be a societal goal. Google has every right, legally, to delete this stuff. However, in an ideal world, they'd do no such thing and would let people judge based on the merits of the message. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to work towards that ideal world. Maybe the solution…

The bigger problem is that Google use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Instead of removing the videos, Google will shut down your whole google account - emails, google drive, docs, all gone - They'll do it without telling you, without recourse, no appeal, nothing. No chance of contacting a real person to discuss it.

It's so odd that the left who are so up in arms about 'fascism', white supremacists, trump etc, are the very people being violent, suppressing free speech, and behaving like fascists. It's especially a shame to see it so prevalent in Hollywood and Silicon Valley which should be bastions of freedom and expression.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

donalhunt wrote: post #56

The following articles may be of help: 1) https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/40695 2) https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802168?hl=en Despite claims in this thread that Google likes to do things without due process and clear guidelines, the reality is that something like an account deletion is both pretty rare and not done lightly (you'll see that in some of the language in support articles and T&Cs r…

> regard the "how to escalate?" issue: The company still struggles with corner cases like this

This is not a corner case. Being able to appeal and escalate that appeal are the only possible way to have any semblance of due process.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

magnetic wrote: post #95
tyingq wrote: post #67

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It is kind of odd that the whole Google account is wiped and canceled. I post a YouTube video big G doesn't like, then they close my whole Google account. So now my Android phone, all my contacts, call history, purchased apps + music, etc, are now gone? And my nest thermostat resets to factory defaults? And all my AdWords campaigns for my small sole proprietorship. And...so on.

...and what about all those services you used to "Log in with Google"...

Which is why you never ever use the "log in with Google/Facebook" buttons.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by ksec »

While it was an unpopular opinion, that was what Cloudflare's Mathew Prince has been saying all along. When do you draw the line? How do you define xxxxx. I read in US, Police can take away your cash / processions if you are suspected of XXXX.I guess similar mentality is happening.

HDD is Cheap, SoC is Cheap, We are only lacking the software to have a Personal Cloud where your Photo, Video, Email, or other Files are Stored on BOTH the cloud AND your Home Mini Server. I paid a small fees to have the data on cloud for being accessible and as backup. I was rather hoping Apple could do that with Time Capsule. Since OSX Server already caches your iCloud Files. But I guess most company are too deep rooted into this recurring "Subscription" model they dont actually want you to own anything.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by megous »

throwawayjava wrote: post #20
KGIII wrote: post #7

Well, she is easier to defend than Nazis. So, here I go... Freedom of expression, not just free speech the legal concept, should be a societal goal. Google has every right, legally, to delete this stuff. However, in an ideal world, they'd do no such thing and would let people judge based on the merits of the message. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to work towards that ideal world. Maybe the solution…

> That said, if anyone can think of something that I can do to help, I'm all ears. You already live in this world. Who cares if Goolge won't host these videos on youtube? I don't understand why this matters. There are millions of other video upload sites, all of which are extremely easy to find and use. There are literally too many open source options for sharing files to count, and many of them are even usable by no…

Wait until you lose your gmail that you've used for everything for the last 10 years as a collateral damage.

You can't really maintain a local copy of a "control of @gmail.com" domain to be able for people to continue sending you messages.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by wallace_f »

zaphirplane wrote: post #159
wallace_f wrote: post #83

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It wasn't too long ago that we had the McCarthy era, where speech professing communism was effectively targeted by what were basically thought police. Just as then you don't have to advocate free speech because you are a communist, now you don't have to advocate it because you are a Nazi. You advocate it to protect against authoritarianism.

I appreciate your argument and the "when they came for me" quote. As an intellectual argument doesn't the government also exist to protect people, this is mostly about where the line is drawn between protecting society from some of its harmful members and protecting society from the government. Hard line to draw

What I would say is that while gov has a role to protect people's physical safety, what else do you believe is a legitimate role in protecting people from? Is it government's responsibility to care for your emotions? Do you think gov should cover our ears from mean words? Burn books that say things that you disagree with? Who decides what is disagreeable? Me? You? Trump? Eric Schmidt?

In a way, speech is already a very effective democratic institution. The more decentralized and the more participants, the more democratic. But if this voice is transferred from the people to the gov, the more power is handed from the people to the elites, and most likely the faster we will devolve into authoritarianism.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by KGIII »

simonh wrote: post #196
KGIII wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this is the time or place, but what is it that you're calling hate speech and how is it 'highly destructive?' What prevents the user from selecting a different video and who is the arbiter of 'what makes sense and what doesn't?' I suppose those can be rhetorical questions, if you want. To be clear, I suspect I hold very extreme views on the concept of free speech, at least from your perspective. Lest you…

Do you think that she should be able to post this content because she's a white westerner that you like, while brown Muslims you don't like who posted the same material should not? Youtube has rules about the content they are willing to host and she knowingly violated those rules. Who she is any why she did it shouldn't come into it.

Her race is immaterial. I'm not sure why you believe I'd care. If you read the thread, you'd know I'm not white.

And no, I'm very much okay with the Muslim posts. In fact, I've watched many of them. The ISIS recruitment videos are well made and have pretty catchy songs.

Re: It appears my Google account is slated for deletion

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Post by dingo_bat »

megous wrote: post #207
throwawayjava wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said, if anyone can think of something that I can do to help, I'm all ears. You already live in this world. Who cares if Goolge won't host these videos on youtube? I don't understand why this matters. There are millions of other video upload sites, all of which are extremely easy to find and use. There are literally too many open source options for sharing files to count, and many of them are even usable by no…

Wait until you lose your gmail that you've used for everything for the last 10 years as a collateral damage. You can't really maintain a local copy of a "control of @gmail.com" domain to be able for people to continue sending you messages.

You should be hosting your own if you're serious about email.
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