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Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by guelo » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 4:21 AM UTC

emergie wrote: post #27

csours wrote: post #4

Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere.

It's basically Java SE + a standarized stack of technologies, that are usually used in server applications: Servlet, EJB, CDI, JSP, JSF, JTA, JPA... Java EE is not the only way of doing serverside java apps - most of systems i've developed used tomcat + spring-* stack, which is not a Java EE platform. I think reading this project page may help clarify what Java EE is: http://openejb.apache.org/apache-tomee.html

Spring + tomcat is built on J2EE, or at least it was 5 years ago when I worked on that stuff. The servlets API is part of J2EE.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by needusername » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 4:21 AM UTC

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #28

Does this mean that GlassFish will finally have a chance of not sucking?

Yes, if the Payara guys manage to take over the project, do more frequent releases and pull off some major refactorings. I am not sure they have the resources.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by needusername » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 4:24 AM UTC

shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

Nope, this is Oracle stop caring about Java EE. They are not doing this for Java SE as long as they are caring about Java SE.

I also doubt IBM still cares about Java EE. Their last JSR (Batch/JSR-352) was particularly disgusting and seems to be abandoned already.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by damagednoob » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 4:31 AM UTC

Not sure if I'm mistaken but isn't the major thing about this the TCKs? As far as I'm aware they are the keys to kingdom for alternative Java implementations. Never shared by either Sun or Oracle so if and when this happens it will be a good thing™.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 4:59 AM UTC

georgeecollins wrote: post #29

geodel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the time when Oracle and IBM both know Java EE is past sell by date. IBM is betting Swift and Go now.

Nothing makes me doubt the future of Swift like this sentence.

For IBM one of the pillars of cloud computing is Swift.

https://www.ibm.com/cloud-computing/bluemix/swift

They used to be one of the main contributors of Swift on Linux.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 5:00 AM UTC

guelo wrote: post #31

emergie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically Java SE + a standarized stack of technologies, that are usually used in server applications: Servlet, EJB, CDI, JSP, JSF, JTA, JPA... Java EE is not the only way of doing serverside java apps - most of systems i've developed used tomcat + spring-* stack, which is not a Java EE platform. I think reading this project page may help clarify what Java EE is: http://openejb.apache.org/apache-tomee.html

Spring + tomcat is built on J2EE, or at least it was 5 years ago when I worked on that stuff. The servlets API is part of J2EE.

Many of the annotation based APIs from Spring are actually JEE as well.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 5:02 AM UTC

camus2 wrote: post #9

csours wrote: post #4

Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere.

> Can someone explain what Java EE really means? I tried to parse the bundle and license the last time this came up, and I didn't really get anywhere. It's no different than Web standards between browsers, it's a collection of API specifications describing how web applications should be architectured in Java. Then different libraries can follow the spec. JavaEE also has a reference implementation which used to be don…

Most enterprise shops do care about JSF.

I know of many greenfield projects using it, mainly PrimeFaces.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by oneweekwonder » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 5:24 AM UTC

geodel wrote: post #25

shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

This is the time when Oracle and IBM both know Java EE is past sell by date. IBM is betting Swift and Go now.

eh, Swift Runtime is a IBM product and not community. Go is community btw, and they do have a couple of other IBM and community runtimes avail[0].

[0]: https://console.bluemix.net/catalog/?cm_mc_uid=5252549325751...

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by topspin » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 5:37 AM UTC

needusername wrote: post #33

shagie wrote: post #15

This is IBM finally beating Sun over control of enterprise Java - something they've been fighting for for well over a decade (and much closer to two). IBM has been trying to get the Java process away from Sun - and they even backed an IDE to compete with NetBeans. Eclipse... of the Sun (Microsystems). Apparently, Oracle has finally gotten tired of IBM (through Eclipse) saying "we can do it better" and trying to manag…

Nope, this is Oracle stop caring about Java EE. They are not doing this for Java SE as long as they are caring about Java SE. I also doubt IBM still cares about Java EE. Their last JSR (Batch/JSR-352) was particularly disgusting and seems to be abandoned already.

"JSR (Batch/JSR-352) was particularly disgusting"

Good grief. Another mountain of XML programming. It's like the last 10+ years of software engineering never happened.

I wonder how many half completed JSR-352 implementations will emerge.

Re: Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation

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Post by exabrial » Wed, Sep 13, 2017, 5:52 AM UTC

This is awesome. CDI, JAXRS, JPA, JTA, and JMS are brilliant technologies but are held down by the weight of legacy technologies. Maybe we can finally see Java EE based solely on CDI, which would kick every platform out of the water. Scopes take dependency injection to the next level and finally fulfills the promise of modular, testable, reusable code.