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Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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> Companies who ignore user privacy are in for a hit I think, in the wake of equifax. Are they? Do people care that much? I think, except for those who actually have their credit stolen, the average person just sees it as another headline of the world today, and will move on, the way people still fly United.

> the average person just sees it as another headline of the world today, and will move on, the way people still fly United. Until people's lives are actually impacted by the lack of privacy, they'll continue doing what they always do. Once something requires action on the person's part, (either credit being stolen from them, or something along those lines) most people won't take preemptive actions. And this would ne…

I don't entirely agree. Pre-emptive action could be a 5% higher chance of buying an iPhone, or a bump in existing iPhone user's stickiness to the platform (you value keeping something you have more than not getting something you don't). That's enough to make a significant difference.

Other than financial data I don't particularly value my privacy. I post on many online forums under my own name and even my alias here is a composition of elements of my name. I use Google services quite happily and have no material gripes with the company. But still as an iPhone user it's good to know that Apple has my back on this and I'd really hate to lose that feeling.

Also I don't think this is entirely a commercial decision on Apple's part. They must know very well that taking an absolute stance on customer privacy puts them diametrically at odds with the interests of the Chinese government. China hasn't taken many overt steps against them (though they shut down iTunes movies and iBooks and chipping away at Apple Pay and other services with onerous regulations), but does anyone really doubt that they're working away in the background to try to help Apple's competitors and slow down Apple sales and service expansion in China? There's no way the Chinese government can be happy with Apple's privacy stance and nunlike int he West Apple doesn't have the shield of the law to protect them in China. They stand naked against the Chinese government, but they're still doing it. That takes some real conviction. I really don't think I'm exaggerating in saying that this stance on privacy may very well cost them any chance of a dominant position in the Chinese market. It's certainly running a real material risk of that anyway.

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Apple is a partner of the NSA's PRISM program. We know that since Snowden, if you remember those revelations.

Yeah but what choice do you have? Apple is the lesser evil here.

You can choose non-US companies. OnePlus, Samsung, etc. I don't think China or S.Korea is less inclined to spy on you, but I suspect they are less competent at it.

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Yeah but what choice do you have? Apple is the lesser evil here.

You can choose non-US companies. OnePlus, Samsung, etc. I don't think China or S.Korea is less inclined to spy on you, but I suspect they are less competent at it.

But then you end up with Google. It doesn't matter who builds the hardware, if it runs Google's system.

Is Apple good? Probably not. Is it less of a threat to your privacy and freedom than Google? Probably.

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In the February 2017 case of a California artist who was questioned at San Francisco International Airport upon re-entry, after he finally agreed to unlock his iPhone, it was taken out of his sight for several minutes and could have been imaged without his knowledge. Under iOS 11, unless the artist, Aaron Gach, decided to actually give up the passcode (rather than type it in himself), he could at least have been reas…

Yeah, this XKCD never been so true as it is now. https://xkcd.com/538/

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I thought the same thing reading this title and it makes me want to invest. Companies who ignore user privacy are in for a hit I think, in the wake of equifax. I'd support companies with excellent privacy / data security records being exclusive brokers of my information. Apple is on that very short list.

> Companies who ignore user privacy are in for a hit I think, in the wake of equifax. Are they? Do people care that much? I think, except for those who actually have their credit stolen, the average person just sees it as another headline of the world today, and will move on, the way people still fly United.

Flying United is a choice. In fact, some companies do suffer lasting harm from bad behavior (Volkswagen comes to mind). Being an Equifax product is not a choice, just a symptom of being a pawn in today's mass-surveillance world where (we are told) privacy and security are illusions.

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You can choose non-US companies. OnePlus, Samsung, etc. I don't think China or S.Korea is less inclined to spy on you, but I suspect they are less competent at it.

But then you end up with Google. It doesn't matter who builds the hardware, if it runs Google's system. Is Apple good? Probably not. Is it less of a threat to your privacy and freedom than Google? Probably.

This is where I would mention that I'm running Cyanogemod, rooted of course, with Protect My Privacy (PMP) installed.

http://www.android.protectmyprivacy.org/

While I really like non-Google Android + PMP in theory, the reality is that this solution is extremely complicated, limiting, error prone, buggy and probably not worth it.

So I concede that Apple is the better choice, but nevertheless, persist in my futile efforts to make my 1+ somehow work securely.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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> Companies who ignore user privacy are in for a hit I think, in the wake of equifax. Are they? Do people care that much? I think, except for those who actually have their credit stolen, the average person just sees it as another headline of the world today, and will move on, the way people still fly United.

Flying United is a choice. In fact, some companies do suffer lasting harm from bad behavior (Volkswagen comes to mind). Being an Equifax product is not a choice, just a symptom of being a pawn in today's mass-surveillance world where (we are told) privacy and security are illusions.

some companies do suffer lasting harm from bad behavior (Volkswagen comes to mind).

Volkswagen is basically back to it's pre-dieselgate sales levels. Admittedly its stock price is still quite a bit below it's pre-dieselgate high, largely due to the still unknown factors surrounding possible future fines.

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I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

All the other tech giants are in the business of selling your data to advertisers. Apple is in the business of selling their stuff to you.

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Yeah but what choice do you have? Apple is the lesser evil here.

You can choose non-US companies. OnePlus, Samsung, etc. I don't think China or S.Korea is less inclined to spy on you, but I suspect they are less competent at it.

ah man.. i just needed to clean my monitor of coffee reading this. :)

Samsung, really? :D weeping angel rings a bell?

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You can choose non-US companies. OnePlus, Samsung, etc. I don't think China or S.Korea is less inclined to spy on you, but I suspect they are less competent at it.

But then you end up with Google. It doesn't matter who builds the hardware, if it runs Google's system. Is Apple good? Probably not. Is it less of a threat to your privacy and freedom than Google? Probably.

After Ubuntu dropping out (officially, at least), your best bet is probably LineageOS: https://lineageos.org
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