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Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by jon_richards »

fiatpandas wrote: post #88
vlozko wrote: post #79

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Too soon to tell. For all we know, Face ID may give you the option to provide a facial expression to unlock.

That's a great capability I hadn't considered. Your passcode isn't just a 3d composite of your face, but instead could be a 3d composite of your face performing a specific gesture over a short amount of time (wink, kiss, tilt, etc). Would be harder to spoof.

Is a facial expression speech? One of the issues with touch ID is that biometrics aren't protected by the 4th, while passwords and the like are. It would be an interesting question whether a court can compel you to make a certain expression.

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Post by nikdaheratik »

StavrosK wrote: post #21
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #8

I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

That is very true, but I find it very sad that, as much as Apple is pro-privacy, it's very anti-freedom. I'd love to switch to a device as private as an iPhone, but at this point you're just renting the device from them.

You can compile and run your own software on the device. You can jailbreak it to get the same results. You also have access to the entire internet which should allow you to do nearly any kind of development you want to do and use the browser in your phone as a UI the same as any other computer.

The only part of their ecosystem that has major restrictions is the App store. Which kind of makes sense as that's one of the few ways in which someone other than Apple could completely trash their platform and make alot of Apple's customers unhappy.

I'm not saying your "anti-freedom" point is completely invalid, but it's really not a major concern for most tech-savvy people, IMO.

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Post by tomschlick »

foolfoolz wrote: post #71
biftek wrote: post #57

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It's great. They essentially have a monopoly on providing privacy, which is and will continue to be a bigger competitive advantage.

totally agree. i think designing software so you dont have access to customer data (zero knowledge or customer held keys) will eventually be a big selling point for SaaS companies

Also for governments themselves.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by lern_too_spel »

roblabla wrote: post #96
ReverseCold wrote: post #58

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Android = Google (No, aosp is unusable, and Google is working to make it more unusable). Google = no privacy Therefore, Android = no privacy Q.E.D

I am not a diehard android, but i'm replying to you from a LineageOS phone without the Gapps, using microg as an alternative to the google services, and firefox as a browser. Privacy is achievable on Android. However, I do agree it os very involved.

The services provided by Gapps that send data to Google (push messaging, aGPS, crash reporting, app installs, safe browsing, etc.) also exist on iOS with exactly the same privacy policies. The only difference is that you can remove or disable them on Android devices if you are paranoid, while no such remedy exists on iPhones.

By your standards, privacy is achievable with difficulty on Android and not at all on iOS.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #117
lern_too_spel wrote: post #87

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The information they collect is in their OSes' respective privacy policies. I've looked at them. They are pretty much exactly the same.

You must have looked at the privacy policies but not read them.

You and GGP are the ones making ridiculous claims without evidence (that the data the OSes collect are unknowable instead of outlined in a privacy policy and that Android collects more data than iOS out of the box).

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Post by phs318u »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #164
roblabla wrote: post #96

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I am not a diehard android, but i'm replying to you from a LineageOS phone without the Gapps, using microg as an alternative to the google services, and firefox as a browser. Privacy is achievable on Android. However, I do agree it os very involved.

The services provided by Gapps that send data to Google (push messaging, aGPS, crash reporting, app installs, safe browsing, etc.) also exist on iOS with exactly the same privacy policies. The only difference is that you can remove or disable them on Android devices if you are paranoid, while no such remedy exists on iPhones. By your standards, privacy is achievable with difficulty on Android and not at all on iOS.

There is another, more fundamental difference. With Apple, you are the customer. With Google, you are the product.

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Post by honr »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #158
honr wrote: post #140

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This sounds a bit misguided. IIUC, Google Fi is really a mechanism of accessing two carriers from the same device. It consists of 1. A partnership between Google Fi (the cellular provider), T Mobile, and Sprint, and 2. A special radio hardware on the phone that is capable of working with two different "channels" at the same time. Since my Nexus device broke, I have personally been using "Google Fi" (the provider) on…

Is it actually a special radio, or just features which normally get disabled by e.g. Verizon programming the baseband? I'm assuming that the "special" radios are simply NOT using crippleware and setting some other registers which could be enabled on many more devices...if carriers played ball, which they don't want to for obvious reasons.

I have to research deeper to be sure (there is some FAQ at https://fi.google.com/about/faq/#supported-devices-7). But skimming through that page, I suspect this is a new-ish feature not available on most smartphone radios.

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Post by paulddraper »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #155
abritinthebay wrote: post #148

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Yeah? The baseband and chip ROMs are open source? Really?

Or the proprietary kernel patches and binary blob drivers?

If your point is that there are partially closed source Android distros, I agree with you.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by csomar »

Anyone could shed a light on how difficult would be the implementation of the following:

- All data encrypted by default

- The "dump" of the phone memory or macbook hard-drive makes it looks like the whole drive is full. It means that the free space is populated with random data that is, itself, encrypted.

- User can switch from his user profile to a fake user-profile and import some data (like contacts/messages/photos)

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by honr »

Prefinem wrote: post #146
honr wrote: post #140

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This sounds a bit misguided. IIUC, Google Fi is really a mechanism of accessing two carriers from the same device. It consists of 1. A partnership between Google Fi (the cellular provider), T Mobile, and Sprint, and 2. A special radio hardware on the phone that is capable of working with two different "channels" at the same time. Since my Nexus device broke, I have personally been using "Google Fi" (the provider) on…

Sorry, I did not mean to say that is how it is but how it seemed. My understanding is that the modems aren’t capable. That being said, activation is done only with a nexus or pixel device (software) and while switching might be a hardware issue, iPhone works on both sprint and Tmobile (on an iPhone on Tmobile after moving from Verizon) and so google fi should still work.

As I mentioned, I AM already using Google Fi on my iPhone. What does not work is the hardware feature of handing off between providers mid-flight. With my [now deceased] Nexus X, a call would seamlessly [to me, anyways] switch between providers during medium/longer commutes. With my iPhone using just T Mobile, calls get dropped during my daily route as there are certain "T Mobile blind spots".
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