Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode • Hacker News Board

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by Prefinem » Mon, Sep 11, 2017, 11:57 PM UTC

fooey wrote: post #100

Prefinem wrote: post #72

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Google Fi only allows Their Nexus and Pixel phones on their network. It is like an ISP seeing that you are running Linux and not letting your traffic through, just a bit more complicated than that. (SIM Card, Modems, Frequencies)

You can pop a tmobile SIM in the phone and they partially work, but Google Fi requires hardware support in the radio to work fully It's not that they're blocking iOS, but more that iPhones don't support the network.

Understood. Just wish they would both get on board with it.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by jsjohnst » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:05 AM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #64

jsjohnst wrote: post #59

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Technically, they do. You just have to pay more for it (aka buying a developer account).

Actually you don't even need to pay for it these days. Free Apple Developer accounts can side load apps through Xcode

Only for seven days at a time though, no? Either way, that affectively means anybody can sideload if they have a Mac.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by X86BSD » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:06 AM UTC

bobsil1 wrote: post #48

X86BSD wrote: post #33

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I think I would prefer the passcode which can be set to a length much larger than 4 digits when travelling or getting anywhere near fed-gov.

Default PIN has been 6 digits since iOS 10, and you can make it a long passphrase instead.

I am aware. I don't know why I phrased it the way I did. I meant I would rather use that feature of the longer passcode instead of facial recognition. Bad grammar for the win.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by vacri » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:06 AM UTC

eridius wrote: post #70

lern_too_spel wrote: post #60

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What data does Google collect that Apple doesn't collect? The only difference I can see is that Google is competent at making the data it collects useful to the user and barely usable to advertisers. Your comment looks like trolling. We were discussing a feature to prevent others from backing up your device.

> What data does Google collect that Apple doesn't collect? I don't know what Google collects, but the simple answer to this is "virtually everything". Apple collects very little data from their users and does everything they possibly can on-device (and the stuff that requires the cloud is either encrypted or heavily anonymized). Nearly all data that Google collects, Apple doesn't.

On the other hand, Android services everyone, whereas Apple tells the developing world to fuck off. Apple's privacy is only for the social elite who can afford their expensive toys, and they're not interested in providing service on a global scale.

Let's not get too hippy-feelgood about Apple's intentions regarding its users here.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by jsjohnst » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:08 AM UTC

mixedCase wrote: post #108

madeofpalk wrote: post #98

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Correct. You need to own a computer to run computer software.

An Apple computer. To run Mac software. That's what you probably meant.

You don't have to own an Apple computer to run Mac software, so your statement is factually false and his isn't.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by bluthru » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:18 AM UTC

karatinsa wrote: post #107

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #8

I have never seen a company both so technically capable and supportive of user privacy as Apple. It stands completely apart from all of the tech giants of today.

I just wish an Apple ID wasn't required for everything. Especially one that requires giving them my full name, phone, and physical address. I understand that it would be needed for purchase apps, but just to download a free one?

Yeah, I really hope something like Gatekeeper comes to iOS. As time moves on (and tech companies stop being apolitical), I'd like to not have the App Store being the only way to get software only my device.

For example Gab was rejected by the App Store because of the content people were posting. Of course, they won't ban Chrome despite being susceptible to the same content violation.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by LeoNatan25 » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:19 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #87

adventured wrote: post #63

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In the first part, you're setting up a premise that nobody here can or will answer publicly even if they have the knowledge of the exact information collected by either company. That gives you a free run at the second part without anything supporting it.

The information they collect is in their OSes' respective privacy policies. I've looked at them. They are pretty much exactly the same.

You must have looked at the privacy policies but not read them.

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by mikeash » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:19 AM UTC

eropple wrote: post #46

mikeash wrote: post #44

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How? Sideloaded apps would still be sandboxed.

Sideloaded apps make attacks on non- sideloaded stuff a lot easier.

Not to sound like a broken record, but, how?

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by earenndil » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:20 AM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #64

jsjohnst wrote: post #59

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Technically, they do. You just have to pay more for it (aka buying a developer account).

Actually you don't even need to pay for it these days. Free Apple Developer accounts can side load apps through Xcode

You don't even need Xcode. You can do it fine on windows or linux using cydia impactor[1]

1: http://www.cydiaimpactor.com/

Re: Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your device without a passcode

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Post by earenndil » Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 12:21 AM UTC

eridius wrote: post #75

clamprecht wrote: post #65

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They could add a "duress passcode", with an alternate reality of data. I don't expect them to, but it's possible. Bitcoin hardware wallets have this kind of feature to help avoid wrench attacks.

Lying to a federal agent is a crime. Edit: No seriously. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements . Refusing to unlock your device is one thing. Claiming that you did unlock it but in fact just used a "duress passcode" is a lie and can land you in jail.

This makes me wonder something. I know that while they can't force you to enter your passcode, they can force you to unlock with your fingerprint. I've heard people ask for a feature where you basically have a "duress fingerprint," since fingerprint is already different than password, would using a duress fingerprint be acceptable?