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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by cpursley »

abritinthebay wrote: post #24
patrickmay wrote: post #8

In an earlier post ( https://www.easydns.com/blog/2017/09/06/why-does-easydns-pro... ) supporting free expression, EasyDNS says that they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority." I have never been to the DailyStormer site, so I don't know if they meet that criteria. If they don't, EasyDNS, while well within their rights, is not living up…

It absolutely does meet those criteria and then some. They aren’t called Nazi’s because people disagree with them but because they are actual Nazis

> because they are actual Nazis

I'm not defending these people, but are they really Nazis? Or just angry, uneducated and disenfranchised white people?

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

bhaak wrote: post #38
_ofdw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't "actual Nazis" be members of the German National Socialist Party? Pedantic, perhaps, but I think the proper term for these people is "racists" or "white supremacists" (edit: or even better, Neonazis) . I find the term "Nazi" to be overused in the modern discourse, often hyperbolic in nature, usually to refer to people who lean right of political centre. Not sure why down voters appear to disagree : I prefer…

Yes, you are right. Only those people that were actual members of the party were called "Nazis". Today in German, those that are still living are sometimes called "Altnazi", old nazi, to distinguish the racist people that follow their ideology but can't possibly have been alive at that time. The latter are more precisely called "Neonazi", but that is often shortened to just "Nazi".

Perhaps the parent is confused as I am: Do these Nazis want "German Socialism" to take over in USA, so be ruled from Germany? If not then I think calling them Nazis definitely needs clarification.

Genuine confusion for me. Nazi to me is someone who wants to resurrect Hitler and be ruled by the Fatherland; that seems incongruent with what I expect from USA white supremacist??

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by jgmmo »

mullen wrote: post #48
bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

> Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. Please tell us what your business is and we'll be happy to boycott it too.

You clearly don't get it.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by [deleted] »

msla wrote: post #17
resiros wrote: post #7

"It even means a restaurant should be able to refuse to seat (pick one): black people, white people, males, redheads, left-handed people or introverts. Whatever. They probably won’t stay in business very long, it’s a form of corporate Darwinism." Well unless, racism, islamophobie, or antisemitism are en vogue, then the minority is screwed.

Right. Societies without a government, or without an effective government, have no succor for the despised minority: If the majority hates you, nobody except the government can push back on that hatred. Racism is like pollution, in that being the first to stop doing it has disastrous downsides, even if you don't like the end result. It's a Nash Equilibrium.

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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by briholt »

archagon wrote: post #50
briholt wrote: post #43

Another cowardly "free speech but..." Either you support free speech (including Nazis or whatever today's boogeyman is) or you don't support free speech at all. Claiming you support free speech only when you like the speech is abjectly idiotic. When you start blocking people from using your service for their speech, it's time to stop calling yourself the "free speech registrar."

Why does it have to be either/or? Society does not operate by strictly logical principles. I see no problem with "mostly free speech, except for extremists".

"Extremists" like that communist agitator Martin Luther King and all those "extremist" satanic homosexuals spreading AIDS? Good thing we stopped them from speaking, right? Go to Saudi Arabia, they support free speech, except for those extremists who claim Mohamed wasn't the true prophet of Allah. Back in the USSR they supported free speech, except for those extremists who undermined worker morale.

Pretending you and your allies can quasi-objectively categorize "extremists" is exactly the sort of mass delusion we need free speech to prevent.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

archagon wrote: post #50
briholt wrote: post #43

Another cowardly "free speech but..." Either you support free speech (including Nazis or whatever today's boogeyman is) or you don't support free speech at all. Claiming you support free speech only when you like the speech is abjectly idiotic. When you start blocking people from using your service for their speech, it's time to stop calling yourself the "free speech registrar."

Why does it have to be either/or? Society does not operate by strictly logical principles. I see no problem with "mostly free speech, except for extremists".

Which is not free speech, just "our particular bias on liberal speech", if that's what your doing advertise that. No need to lie, surely?

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by Latty »

cpursley wrote: post #51
abritinthebay wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely does meet those criteria and then some. They aren’t called Nazi’s because people disagree with them but because they are actual Nazis

> because they are actual Nazis I'm not defending these people, but are they really Nazis? Or just angry, uneducated and disenfranchised white people?

Why not both? Most people vulnerable enough to eat up the Nazi ideology are probably in a bad place. Case in point, post-WW1 Germany.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by IronWolve »

ceejayoz wrote: post #45
IronWolve wrote: post #35

With companies now coming up with exceptions to their free speech ideology, whats the technical solution? Seems the only place left for these unwanted groups, the dark web of tor. The thing that interests me is technical issues of a site nobody wants to host. Deny them DNS, Deny them DDOS protection, Deny them hosting, whats left?

> Deny them DNS, Deny them DDOS protection, Deny them hosting, whats left? I mean, not being a neo-Nazi is an option...

Thats a political and cultural solution, I said technical. They wouldn't need a technical solution if they are a group everyone approves of.

I think their only option left is tor.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by Frondo »

bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

Preface: this is an honest question, stemming from my own life and current group of friends--the circumstances that frame the issue for me--it isn't intended as snark or a take-down or anything...

Do you have many friends right now who are people of color, or queer/gay, or even Jewish? How do you explain to them that you'd like to support the business that goes against the grain and hosts Nazi/white supremacist material?

I'm asking this because, right now, most of my friends are not white/hetero, and right now, they're all terrified of the US political climate for different reasons--the brown folks of being attacked (physically) by white supremacists and knowing the cops won't defend them (and in a lot of cases, the cops ARE the white supremacists), and the gays of being attacked by everyone. They're largely living in fear, and that's shitty.

I don't know if I could look them in the eye and say, "I've switched over to registrar X, because only they stood up for the Daily Stormer."

Actually, I know I couldn't say that to them, because what kind of asshole would I look like to my friends if I did that?

Again, this is my experience, but I'm curious how ours differ.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by colordrops »

mullen wrote: post #48
bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

> Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. Please tell us what your business is and we'll be happy to boycott it too.

Do you boycott the ACLU because they support the KKK in free speech cases?
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