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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by daxorid »

wnevets wrote: post #6

People like to forget that private companies don't have to care about your first amendment rights.

First amendment protections derive primarily from the fact that the Government has a monopoly on force. It's monopoly power that is the ultimate motivator for the protections.

In this particular case, when every private entity with oligopoly power (de facto, not de jure, per the capital and other ICANN approval hurdles) denies your platform, then you're in effectively the same position as if the Government was denying you speech.

It's why we have antitrust and labor relations laws - we recognize that monopolies or effective monopolies approach the power of Governments in ability to deny rights.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by abritinthebay »

patrickmay wrote: post #8

In an earlier post ( https://www.easydns.com/blog/2017/09/06/why-does-easydns-pro... ) supporting free expression, EasyDNS says that they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority." I have never been to the DailyStormer site, so I don't know if they meet that criteria. If they don't, EasyDNS, while well within their rights, is not living up…

It absolutely does meet those criteria and then some.

They aren’t called Nazi’s because people disagree with them but because they are actual Nazis

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by feld »

minikites wrote: post #9
bmelton wrote: post #3

Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

"Free speech" usually refers to government interference to speech, why should a business be required to make what they see as a bad business decision?

*always refers to government interference to speech

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by StuntPope »

Waterluvian wrote: post #19
msla wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It even means a restaurant should be able to refuse to seat (pick one): black people, white people, males, redheads, left-handed people or introverts. Whatever. They probably won’t stay in business very long, it’s a form of corporate Darwinism. I find it ironic that this is (presumably) precisely the position The Daily Stormer would take on those issues.

I demand you serve me a product to help me not serve your kind here!

lol. Exactly.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by minikites »

mayank wrote: post #14
minikites wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free speech" usually refers to government interference to speech, why should a business be required to make what they see as a bad business decision?

OP is saying they want to support a private business that voluntarily shares the government's mandate on free speech, even when they are not required to.

I'm saying it's a somewhat nonsensical viewpoint, imagine substituting another governmental protection. Do you support businesses that oppose quartering soldiers in the homes of citizens? "Free speech" applies to the rights granted/enforced/protected by government and businesses are operating on a different level than that.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by tomp »

patrickmay wrote: post #8

In an earlier post ( https://www.easydns.com/blog/2017/09/06/why-does-easydns-pro... ) supporting free expression, EasyDNS says that they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority." I have never been to the DailyStormer site, so I don't know if they meet that criteria. If they don't, EasyDNS, while well within their rights, is not living up…

Wow, the hypocrisy is hillarious.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by Waterluvian »

> It even means a restaurant should be able to refuse to seat (pick one): black people, white people, males, redheads, left-handed people or introverts. Whatever. They probably won’t stay in business very long, it’s a form of corporate Darwinism.

I think the point of the argument is that you can't pick and choose when discrimination is OK. But then the second half, about corporate Darwinism, is a moral escape hatch, possibly because the author senses how manifestly wrong that argument feels.

There is no one-size-fits-all solution. Right vs. wrong will be a "you know it when you see it" case by case basis. And the test for that will mutate as our society mutates. Things that feel right today will embarrass our children.

What I think is important today is not to rely on capitalist mechanisms to protect minorities from discrimination. Wheelchair ramps are needed by a tiny fraction of our society. Many businesses probably wouldn't bother with accessibility, but it's mandated, because the disabled don't have a large enough wallet to bankrupt companies that don't put ramps in.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Post by Torgo »

Their reasoning seems to be this:

We are a free speech registrar. free speech means a private company shouldn't be forced to host content it disagrees with. We are a company and we disagree with the content, therefore we will not host it.

OK fine, but this reduces "free speech registrar" to something pretty meaningless from a consumer point of view.

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