Federal overreach. I find it incredible that they want fully autonomous cars, but we do not yet have fully autonomous aircraft. This stuff isn't safe yet, and may not be for some time. If a state doesn't want to allow it on their roads, DC should not get to overrule them.
U.S. House approves proposal to speed the deployment of self-driving cars
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#92"Automakers would have to submit safety assessment reports to regulators, but the bill would not require pre-market approval of advanced vehicle technologies. The measure now goes to the Senate, where a bipartisan group of lawmakers has been working on similar legislation." You and I both know that without premarket approval, one or more companies are going to get careless and are going to kill people before the tech…
The incentives against killing people are already in place.
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#93I make the argument that the majority of our interactions with law enforcement (for those of us who are otherwise generally well mannered) stem from some driving related instance. This is the true pathway for most of us to get tangled up in the [broken[ revolving door of the legal system. I am 100% all for self driving cars and look forward to owning one as soon as there are no controls for me to interact with at any…
I think it would be a very long time, if ever, that all human control mechanisms are removed from an autonomous vehicle
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#94The apocalypse is near. Inb4 (GOOG. MSFT. APPL. AMZN) Amazing new tech that will change the world buzzword, buzzword, buzzword
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
GM sells sells 10M cars per year so 100k would be 1% of that. Also who's Waymo? Tesla is planning to demonstrate a CA to NY trip with zero human intervention in just a few months and Elon has said they're shooting for 2019 for L5 FSD for their entire fleet made past October 2016 (they've already put in the hardware necessary for FSD so when the software is ready a simple OTA software update is all that's necessary fo…
If, by L5 you mean, I can get in my car, at a random, drivable over legal roads location, and instruct the vehicle to take me to another (within reasonable distance) location that is drivable over legal roads - I.E. Google Maps has a route. Basically, no steering wheel required. Benedict Evans, at A16Z, says that some of the smartest people in the automated driving field say that L5 autonomy is 15-20 years out at the…
Yeah, no one serious is expecting L5 anytime soon. When someone on the internet mentions L5 it's code for 'I don't know what I'm talking about'.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
One issue is this. Assume self-driving cars exist at some point. Assume they reduce fatalities by 90 percent. Ignore injuries. Now "only" 3,000 people are being killed by autonomous vehicles because "Hey, software isn't perfect and stuff happens." How many consumer products today kill that many people a year and the public is basically OK with it? I'm not saying that the companies shouldn't make reasonable payments a…
There are plenty of medical procedures that save lots of lives but occasionally kill people. The public is ok with that because it is way better than the alternative.
Yes but usually those medical procedures prove that they save more people than they kill before they're given to the public. Self-driving cars have not done that.
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Yeah, it looks like deaths per mile has been on a steady decline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_U...
Not exactly a steady decline, quote from the NPR article linked above: In its own early estimates that were released late in 2015, NHTSA reported seeing a 3.5 percent rise in vehicle miles traveled in the U.S. But it also said the fatality rate — the number of deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled — was rising at a slightly higher pace of 4.4 percent.
Maybe the average number of people riding the same vehicle has increased?
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how come pre-emptions are expected? i would expect states cannot have any LOWER standards than federal (think min wage, emissions, etc) and can mandate higher if they choose
CA emissions have forced the automakers to offer basically two versions of every vehicle for the past half century or so. Nobody in the industry wants a repeat of that because it costs money.
In both cases the California standard was higher, improving the environment and saving lives.
What happened to the states being policy laboratories? I thought Republicans were for local control? Or is that only for school textbooks and baking wedding cakes.
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Miles of data is not the best metric. If you've ever tried to build a machine learning system you'd recognize some of the issues here. First off, where are the labels? How are you to interpret all that data? Say Tesla has recorded video of some dude driving down his street in LA and their system detects a car door opening in his data stream. How can Tesla find out whether or not there actually was a car door opening?…
Not sure why you think simulation environment is more valuable than real world data. Waymo doesn't even have as much data in simulated environment as Tesla does in real world data, which is hilarious.
Waymo has claimed they do 8 million miles a day, and it's in simulation that they've made the lion's share of their progress the past few years. In simulation you can model thousands of variations of any particular corner case, the AI doesn't know the difference between real and virtual environments.
Dedicated test vehicles are collecting many terabytes a day. Google mentioned years ago that they're gathering over a gig per second of data from their test vehicles, and it's likely more than that now. Tesla is gathering a gig or 2 of data at a time from it's hw2 equipped cars here and there. I'm optimistic that Tesla can, by the end of the year, get to about where Google was at in 2011.
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#100tl;dr Under pressure from big investors and a public clamoring for road bots, politicians as usual cater to the whims of the moment.
2 years later: After numerous accidental deaths, the outcry of the public, and the behest of large tech donors fighting growing competition, politicians cater to the whims of the moment and heavily increase regulation and scrutiny of self-driving cars.