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Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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post #23

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For this reason the article seems at least a little alarmist. It wouldn't be news that Estonian politics is delving into censorship/surveillance; tacking on "EU Presidency" just ads faux-gravitas.

It's a proposal to be implemented EU-wide, not just in Estonia, so the presidency seems relevant.

But the presidency has no actual power to get it passed.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For this reason the article seems at least a little alarmist. It wouldn't be news that Estonian politics is delving into censorship/surveillance; tacking on "EU Presidency" just ads faux-gravitas.

There are times i wonder if politicians use EU as a "trump card". This in the sense of getting it into a EU directive and then turning around to the nation, stating as it is part of an EU directive their hands are tied...

Oh they could, and it might be easier since as far as I know, the general population has very little influence over who gets to sit in the EU government.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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post #25

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Turkey is not part of the EU yet. I don't see how exactly the power "sits with Erdoğan".

Well, I heard people say he controls the flow of the "refugees", so he gets to make some decisions.

He can (and does) use that for leverage, but then, so could Italy, Spain, and Greece. I don't think he can get into the EU under threat of letting refugees through though, not while there's violations of human rights and such still going on in his country.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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I sincerely hope that we will succeed in keeping the internet as democratic as possible and not let it be destroyed by corporate interests in the name 'terrorism prevention'. I'd like to give a shout-out to epicenter.works, an Austrian NGO, which I've been following the last 1.5 years or so. I think it's hard to get the public engaged in these topics, but they seem to be really determined. Here's a google translate l…

The Internet was never democratic. When did you get to vote on anything?

Anarchy might be a better description, and that too within reason and having been made less and less so over time via law enforcement and such. The dark web is more of that ideal, but you know where that ends up.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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> follow in the footsteps of China regarding online censorship

This phrase makes the article seem overly dramatic. The proposed directive is all about copyright and not about censorship in the common sense. So, if I own the copyright (e.g. I wrote a blog post critizing the European Commission), this directive doesn't apply to me.

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post #20

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Or Erdogan ?

Turkey is not part of the EU yet. I don't see how exactly the power "sits with Erdoğan".

Turkey also won't be part of the EU. Both Merkel and her contestant for the current election stated on Sunday, that they have had enough and want to abort the negotiations about Turkey joining.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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post #9

I sincerely hope that we will succeed in keeping the internet as democratic as possible and not let it be destroyed by corporate interests in the name 'terrorism prevention'. I'd like to give a shout-out to epicenter.works, an Austrian NGO, which I've been following the last 1.5 years or so. I think it's hard to get the public engaged in these topics, but they seem to be really determined. Here's a google translate l…

"Terrorism prevention", alongside of "9/11" and "save the children", has been the work horse of western "democratic" political system to concentrate power and restrict liberties over the past 30 years. It has nothing to do with corporate interest, if not to please a vocal minority seen as a threatening to their reputation.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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The web page is receiving the "hug of death" right now, and is having difficulty loading. Pasting the content here in case it goes down (I did not include the in-paragraph hyperlinks though). However, here is the leaked document they reference in the first sentence: http://www.statewatch.org/news/2017/aug/eu-council-copyright... ====================================== A Council of the European Union document leaked by…

There should be a huge backlash because of this. Make sure all people involved are fired and have no ability to govern anything public ever again.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are times i wonder if politicians use EU as a "trump card". This in the sense of getting it into a EU directive and then turning around to the nation, stating as it is part of an EU directive their hands are tied...

Oh they could, and it might be easier since as far as I know, the general population has very little influence over who gets to sit in the EU government.

You mean aside from the fact that MEPs - the politicians sitting in the EU government - are elected by the general population?

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Internet was never democratic. When did you get to vote on anything?

Anarchy might be a better description, and that too within reason and having been made less and less so over time via law enforcement and such. The dark web is more of that ideal, but you know where that ends up.

The Internet was built on a synergy between cooperation and competition between the players. As such, the state of disorder implied by "anarchy" does not fit either. Each new competing tech was based on a strong base/protocols/rules made in the previous iteration.

To this extend, the Internet's core is very conservative.

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