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Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

adekok wrote: post #6

> the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission’s original proposal, I read that as "corporations can enforce copyright... I can't" See Youtube drama of a news organization using someone's video without attribution or payment... and then filing automated copyright claims against the original, because parts of the "copyrighted news br…

I think there's also a serious risk of infringing on fair use/fair dealing and even remixes and so on here. An algorithm can't tell whether you're using content for piracy or for criticism. As you point out, YouTube's Content ID system has given us a fantastic preview of the potential problems here.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by rovek »

pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

For this reason the article seems at least a little alarmist.

It wouldn't be news that Estonian politics is delving into censorship/surveillance; tacking on "EU Presidency" just ads faux-gravitas.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by icebraining »

andy_ppp wrote: post #18
icebraining wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. One wonders what Estonia, or its government, has to gain from this, though.

It's the same thing all autocrats want which is to consolidate their power while protecting the little people from themselves. I can see where they are coming from though; I'm pretty sure the investigations of Internet usage that turn up on politicians desks contain pretty disconcerting information about the human condition.

This seems to be focused on copyright, not "protecting the little people from themselves." I find a financial reason more likely to be behind this push.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by d33 »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #22
wiz21c wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or Erdogan ?

Turkey is not part of the EU yet. I don't see how exactly the power "sits with Erdoğan".

Well, I heard people say he controls the flow of the "refugees", so he gets to make some decisions.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by chaudfontaine »

pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

Also, EU presidency is not directly elected by the people.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by icebraining »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #21
adekok wrote: post #6

> the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission’s original proposal, I read that as "corporations can enforce copyright... I can't" See Youtube drama of a news organization using someone's video without attribution or payment... and then filing automated copyright claims against the original, because parts of the "copyrighted news br…

I think there's also a serious risk of infringing on fair use/fair dealing and even remixes and so on here. An algorithm can't tell whether you're using content for piracy or for criticism. As you point out, YouTube's Content ID system has given us a fantastic preview of the potential problems here.

Their solution seems to be mandating providers to offer a mechanism for redressing grievances and having the rightsholders explain themselves in a reasonable time period. It seems to be just for PR (it doesn't seem to provide any mechanism in case the explanation is ridiculous), but it could provide an interesting venue for DDoSing copyright holders.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by digi_owl »

rovek wrote: post #23
pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

For this reason the article seems at least a little alarmist. It wouldn't be news that Estonian politics is delving into censorship/surveillance; tacking on "EU Presidency" just ads faux-gravitas.

There are times i wonder if politicians use EU as a "trump card". This in the sense of getting it into a EU directive and then turning around to the nation, stating as it is part of an EU directive their hands are tied...

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by icebraining »

rovek wrote: post #23
pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

For this reason the article seems at least a little alarmist. It wouldn't be news that Estonian politics is delving into censorship/surveillance; tacking on "EU Presidency" just ads faux-gravitas.

It's a proposal to be implemented EU-wide, not just in Estonia, so the presidency seems relevant.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by allendoerfer »

digi_owl wrote: post #28
rovek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For this reason the article seems at least a little alarmist. It wouldn't be news that Estonian politics is delving into censorship/surveillance; tacking on "EU Presidency" just ads faux-gravitas.

There are times i wonder if politicians use EU as a "trump card". This in the sense of getting it into a EU directive and then turning around to the nation, stating as it is part of an EU directive their hands are tied...

They definitely do that in Germany.
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