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Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by bleke »

QAPereo wrote: post #7
provost wrote: post #3

The web page is receiving the "hug of death" right now, and is having difficulty loading. Pasting the content here in case it goes down (I did not include the in-paragraph hyperlinks though). However, here is the leaked document they reference in the first sentence: http://www.statewatch.org/news/2017/aug/eu-council-copyright... ====================================== A Council of the European Union document leaked by…

That's horrendous... as it stands what are the odds this sees the light of day? I really hope this leak is a test, and it's just blown out of the water for now.

I guess today maybe no, but 10-15 years later and after one or few terrorists attacks with standard narrative, we will get in situation where without government id you could not write a comment, like today in china. This is not happening because of need security, but because of people ignorance and government greed to control everything.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by pmyteh »

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority.

That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member states do not agree with. Real power sits with the Commission, the Council of Ministers and the Parliament in various proportions.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by quuquuquu »

adekok wrote: post #6

> the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission’s original proposal, I read that as "corporations can enforce copyright... I can't" See Youtube drama of a news organization using someone's video without attribution or payment... and then filing automated copyright claims against the original, because parts of the "copyrighted news br…

Completely agree.

When corporations are allowed to enforce the rules, they bend them so that the corporation profits. They also then 1984 the whole situation by using double-speak to explain the situation.

I once worked for a company that announced they were doubling our conmission rates from 5 to 10 percent.

They couldnt be happier to tell us all about how they were going to pay us more, so we quickly suspected something weird was going on.

Well that all was slowly revealed when 3 months later, commissions on deals were being "denied" in full. "Deal is too large." "Deal is not in your territory." "Deal is not on a commission elligible product."

So the rates were doubled. But 2x of $0 is still $0.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by ForRealsies »

pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

Real power sits with Merkel.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by icebraining »

pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

True. One wonders what Estonia, or its government, has to gain from this, though.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by andy_ppp »

icebraining wrote: post #17
pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

True. One wonders what Estonia, or its government, has to gain from this, though.

It's the same thing all autocrats want which is to consolidate their power while protecting the little people from themselves.

I can see where they are coming from though; I'm pretty sure the investigations of Internet usage that turn up on politicians desks contain pretty disconcerting information about the human condition.

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by tinus_hn »

Joe-Z wrote: post #9

I sincerely hope that we will succeed in keeping the internet as democratic as possible and not let it be destroyed by corporate interests in the name 'terrorism prevention'. I'd like to give a shout-out to epicenter.works, an Austrian NGO, which I've been following the last 1.5 years or so. I think it's hard to get the public engaged in these topics, but they seem to be really determined. Here's a google translate l…

The Internet was never democratic. When did you get to vote on anything?

Re: Leaked document: EU Presidency calls for massive internet filtering

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Post by wiz21c »

ForRealsies wrote: post #16
pmyteh wrote: post #12

Non-EU readers should bear in mind that the presidency of the EU is much much weaker than that of, say, the US. It's rotated around the countries on a schedule, and has mainly agenda-setting authority. That is, countries who hold the presidency will use it to try to get movement on some issues that they care about, but it doesn't have anywhere close to enough power to get something passed which the other member state…

Real power sits with Merkel.

Or Erdogan ?
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