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At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#271
Why is this news? If you have an unpopular opinion, you're going to be ostracized. If you oppose Obamacare in SF, you're gonna be ostracized. If you support gun control in Odessa, you're gonna be ostracized.

You're hired to work. Not to share your opinion with your co-workers. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't a Muslim ban. The ban didn't include Malaysia, Indonesia, or Algeria for instance and many other Muslim countries. There were 6 countries on the travel ban list. There are 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world.

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on That's a quote.

That is not a quote, that is a paraphrasing of whatever the original statement was.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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I grew up in Texas but worked in Silicon Valley for a few years. One of the toughest adjustments was going from a small conservative town to a major liberal populace. It was astonishing the number of people who got angry _at me_ for having a different opinion then they did. At one workplace I saw two coworkers get into a fist fight because the liberal was "offended" that the conservative differed on a viewpoint. Go t…

I'm not sure why we'd expect politics not to be highly contentious and divisive. It's life-or-death stuff. Do you force a teenager carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, or allow her doctor to kill an organism that is, at least genetically, human? Do we let unfettered immigration undermine the welfare state, or break apart families who are just trying to have a better life? What kind of legacy will we leave our childre…

I really enjoyed your framing of some common issues. Most people don't think there are actually two sides to any political argument and spend the majority of their time laughing at strawmen rather than learning about someone else's perspective.

Also I think lowered emotional connection to the issues can actually be a huge benefit to understanding them rather than just "feeling" what side to pick.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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I don't think it's even just conservatives, anyone who has an even slightly different opinion than the golden calves US libertarian society has set up is shunned. It's closer to religion at this point. I consider myself liberal, but (and?) I disagree on various topics, mostly on affirmative action. However, if you think that introducing more bias is a bad way to solve existing bias, you're a racist. It's not "I disag…

I could not agree more on the "it is closer to religion" point. I have been saying this for a decade now. National politics has replaced religion, community, and family for many people. Political parties and political virtues are how one defines themselves and how they fit into the world. Due to moving frequently (even within a 2 hour radius), more dispersed families, lack of long term involvement in a truly local community (be it a club/lodge or a church), and politics becoming a replacement for relgion in defining what is "right" and what is "wrong" people on both sides are looking at political opposition in manners similar to the Crusades or Protestants vs Catholics.

Politics has become a singular (or at minimum, the dominant) identifier for so many people, that seeing someone who opposes your views means that they are not part of your community. I think re-establishing communities that bring meaning to people's lives would go a long way to helping get through this rough patch. These can be clubs, churches, sports, etc. People need something that they are passionate about that connects them to other people and let's them focus on something local. I think shifting eveyone's attention back toward their local politics and community (where most of the governing that actually impacts you is done) would do wonders.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#275

I grew up in Texas but worked in Silicon Valley for a few years. One of the toughest adjustments was going from a small conservative town to a major liberal populace. It was astonishing the number of people who got angry _at me_ for having a different opinion then they did. At one workplace I saw two coworkers get into a fist fight because the liberal was "offended" that the conservative differed on a viewpoint. Go t…

I'm not sure why we'd expect politics not to be highly contentious and divisive. It's life-or-death stuff. Do you force a teenager carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, or allow her doctor to kill an organism that is, at least genetically, human? Do we let unfettered immigration undermine the welfare state, or break apart families who are just trying to have a better life? What kind of legacy will we leave our childre…

Another thing that might make it easier for you to get along with people of other political persuasions is that you will personally be less affected by whatever policy decisions are made. If you were a pregnant teenager or a poor person who just lost their job to an illegal immigrant you would likely care more.

So maybe you aren't a sociopath. :)

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#276
I'd guess this is only true if you're in favor of policies that are against other, targeted, groups or people. And that sounds okay to me. That's pretty equivalent to being an asshole. It's normal for people not to like you if you sound mean, unpleasant, and appear to be threatening.

If you're being isolated and marginalised for opinions that aren't themselves marginalising, then there's a real problem.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on That's a quote.

That is not a quote, that is a paraphrasing of whatever the original statement was.

That's a quote:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer...

You may not like that fact but it remains a fact. Extra points for referring to himself in the third person because, you know, Obama was so arrogant.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#279

I grew up in Texas but worked in Silicon Valley for a few years. One of the toughest adjustments was going from a small conservative town to a major liberal populace. It was astonishing the number of people who got angry _at me_ for having a different opinion then they did. At one workplace I saw two coworkers get into a fist fight because the liberal was "offended" that the conservative differed on a viewpoint. Go t…

I moved to San Francisco from a small, deeply red town. I'll just say this - I think even that small town would be more tolerant of liberals than I felt when I worked in San Francisco, and I'm not even really that conservative (just economically). The leadership at the company was very reasonable, but the politically active folks terrified me, and didn't just think that those that held conservative viewpoints were mi…

> but the politically active folks terrified me

I hear this. It's frightening how some people can rationalize taking extremely punitive actions in response to encountering mere disagreement or differing identity.

Everyone needs to remember that the people they disagree with are people too, and treat them as they'd like themselves to be treated.

> I think the current level of political discourse is downright dangerous.

I would call it polarization. The discourse is just a consequence of that.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

#280

I grew up in Texas but worked in Silicon Valley for a few years. One of the toughest adjustments was going from a small conservative town to a major liberal populace. It was astonishing the number of people who got angry _at me_ for having a different opinion then they did. At one workplace I saw two coworkers get into a fist fight because the liberal was "offended" that the conservative differed on a viewpoint. Go t…

Back in university, I had a flatmate that was pro-Bush. He wasn't unintelligent. He was getting his masters. He was a good guy and generally progressive in his views. He actually had pretty well laid out arguments as far as what he saw as best for the country and policy with the continuation of the Bush administration over Kerry. Both myself and my other housemates didn't understand it at the time, but I didn't lose…

Frankly, I've held the opinion that elections don't matter for so long that I don't see what's controversial about it.
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