You'd think people would know by now that two things you never, ever, ever discuss at the office are religion and politics, unless one of those happens to be the purpose of your work.
Even then, not a good idea.
At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated
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Pragmatically speaking, supporting Republicans who hate gay people because you don't think the government should be in the marriage business has the exact same effect as actually trying to block gay marriage: straight marriage is allowed; gay marriage isn't.
This is the exact us-vs-them mentality that we should avoid. "Republicans [...] hate gay people" "[If you're not on my side you're on theirs]"
The "who" you elided is rather critical in that sentence. The GP is referring to specific "Republicans who hate gay people". They are not saying that all Republicans hate gay people.
Take care in how you edit people's posts in a quote so that yours can remain honest. Otherwise, everything you've posted becomes suspect and will be dismissed easily.
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They really don't tend to be more civil. The only reason it may seem like that in America is that the USA has never really attempted to cut its deficit. Go look at political conversation in the UK and you'll find large numbers of left wingers / liberals foaming at the mouth about how the government trying to balance its budget is the same thing as hating people, killing them, that austerity is unthinkable evil, that…
"Go look at political conversation in the UK and you'll find large numbers of left wingers / liberals foaming at the mouth about how the government trying to balance its budget is the same thing as hating people, killing them" I see you've listened closely to them and engaged with their arguments.
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They're bringing drugs,' crime and are 'rapists'. knock the crap out of them …. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees You didn't vote for Trump over the correct level of import taxes.
But maybe you voted for him because you thought he's just purposefully saying stupid shit and none of that is serious, because you thought he won't get elected anyway, and this is a good way of expressing your disappointment with the US politics in general? Or maybe you didn't vote for, but voted against (I hear some studies say this is the primary way people vote, btw.)? Or maybe you had some other reason? I could i…
judging someone by the sole data point of their choice in the voting booth, without knowing reasons for it, is one of the most stupid kind of thinking imaginable
I'd call that holding them accountable and I only know how they voted because they told me. Also, I'd put hating people for the color of their skin, the sexuality, their religion, ... as much much stupider.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone is "simply holding different opinions" that people should have lesser rights, or be treated differently because of how they were born, then we shouldn't really be surprised that people are upset by that. I'm not seeing hatred towards people for arguing over correct levels of import taxes. I'm seeing it because they're backing politicians who are actively causing harm to real human beings.
> [if someone thinks people should] be treated differently because of how they were born [then outrage they face is justified] This has always piqued my curiosity -- would you mind explaining? Why is this such a deep tenet that I hear it so often as justification for shunning people? Apparently, there is something egregious about "treating people differently" because of "how they were born." What is wrong about this?…
It's all fine for qualities that don't get tied to your (or your group's) personal and social identity.
To go over your examples - the singing case is rather clear-cut, so is the math one (barring the Tiger Mother meme). Psychological damage starts entering into "neurodiversity" sphere. And about deaf people - there are many deaf communities which don't consider this as a disability, but as a different type of experience. In fact, the right for deaf parents to purposefully create a deaf child (when normally it would have working hearing) is a topic that's sometimes discussed.
It's not a very detailed explanation, but the rule of thumb is - when there's a vocal group of people who tie some quality X into their identities, talking about discriminating on X gets off-limits in the current culture.
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#226Wow This slid off the front page fast. It went from #1 to #33 in the time it took me to brush my teeth while I get ready for work. You can tell an article hits home when people are flagging it to death to hide it.
Now it's 215+.... Very strange
Flame war detection. I don't know how advanced it is, but it's partly based on the number of comments and depth of comment threads, and their rate of growth. If you have a handful of very deep threads that have grown in just a short period of time, it's often a sign of negative, hostile discussions. When detected, those posts get their score (for how they should be ordered) severely reduced.
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I don't agree with those policies, but can you imagine any non-evil reason a rational person would hold those beliefs?
No, I can't. And it really isn't up to my imagination either. If this 'rational' person has a 'rational' argument for wanting to ban Muslims or gays then let's hear it because I can't imagine it. Yes, you will get pushback on that.
It wasn't a Muslim ban. The ban didn't include Malaysia, Indonesia, or Algeria for instance and many other Muslim countries. There were 6 countries on the travel ban list. There are 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world.
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When I see posts in my facebook feed that say unfriend me if you believe x, I always unfriend them even if I don't believe x. If you are not tolerant of different points of view I really don't want to be your friend.
Who has that left you with?
Probably the people who don't post extremely idiotic stuff on Facebook.
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I actually think that's a perfectly reasonable thing to be uncomfortable with, and probably warrants a chat with a higher-up or an anonymous complaint.
Probably just as likely to get ubertaco fired as to make any change.
Indeed; several months ago I used an anonymous-at-the-time internal feedback mechanism to submit a note about how the CEO's top-down religious decisions affect me. Since then, the only thing that's happened is that the internal feedback mechanism was made no-longer-anonymous.
I'm one worker bee among thousands, sitting on the opposite coast in a different office from the CEO, with (last I counted) 8 layers of management between me and the CEO. If any change is going to happen, it's much more likely that the change will be delivered to my employment status, so I keep my head down and learn to tactfully avoid subjects that could get me in hot water for simply being different from the folks in power. A kind of "script switching", if you will.
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#230Despite the many upvotes, numerous comments, and recent post time, this submission no longer appears on the front page. I don't see a "submission flagged" or "removed" indicator. Would a moderator be able to tell us what's up?
>> Despite the many upvotes, numerous comments, and recent post time, this submission no longer appears on the front page.
What you're witnessing is an example of the very thing the article is about. Calling out the SJWs on their bad behavior is not acceptable.