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At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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It's already illegal in 1/3 of the USA right? California, Florida, Texas, Michigan, and Washington already banned it.

No, they didn't ban “affrimative action”; they banned a very small subset of the mechanisms that have been used for affirmative action in certain contexts.

Ok, yeah. But as a barometer of attitude, that's a lot of people who agree that affirmative action is a bad idea. It's not an unassailable tenet of American politics.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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I grew up in Texas but worked in Silicon Valley for a few years. One of the toughest adjustments was going from a small conservative town to a major liberal populace. It was astonishing the number of people who got angry _at me_ for having a different opinion then they did. At one workplace I saw two coworkers get into a fist fight because the liberal was "offended" that the conservative differed on a viewpoint. Go t…

There is a reason why voting machines have curtains. If you resent people judging you for how you vote, just don't tell them.

I think the reason this is all coming to a head now is that it's harder to hide your opinions, or rather it's easier to unintentionally air them to a broader audience than you might prefer. Social media makes it too easy to inadvertently make a political statement. See elsewhere in this thread where a commenter mentions being unfriended by people for congratulating his sister on her wedding to another woman. It's easier for people to police the details of their acquaintances lives and it's harder to hide your differences by compartmentalizing. It's probably a good thing in the long term because people are becoming more accepting, but in the short term it's definitely introducing frictions where otherwise a little tact could avoid a conflict altogether.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Wow This slid off the front page fast. It went from #1 to #33 in the time it took me to brush my teeth while I get ready for work. You can tell an article hits home when people are flagging it to death to hide it.

> You can tell an article hits home when people are flagging it to death to hide it.

Where "hits home" means "outrage-inducing" and "divisive". It's perfectly understandable to flag such things, in order to prevent the place from degenerating into a typical discussion board, where people are up each others' throats over trivia instead of trying to create something useful together.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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Funny, wonder how many moderate liberals would beg to have him back as president now. Myself included.

r u kidding ? bush was largely more evil than trump. trump is just randomly going from one to another mostly unconsequential decision. bush went to war, purposefully let torture be instigated (while trump say ok for torture motsly to look tough) and promoted hugh oil conglomerates.. he's also the governor who order the most inmates to be sent to death row Learn to see the difference between talk and action.

your comparing 8 years to 6 months and legislative agenda that's so right wing they can't even get anything passed by their own party.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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If your politics, or the beliefs of those who share your politics, make your coworkers feel hurt, scared, and angry, then I see absolutely no reason to bring them to your workplace. It's basic human interaction 101. And sorry, but insisting that people grow a thicker skin won't work, because that's not how people operate. I discuss controversial topics in person with my close friends, and I don't feel any poorer for…

This is a two-way street. As a Christian, I get upset when I hear my employer promote Bhuddist values (inviting Bhuddist monks on-site to otherwise-nonreligious corporate events) while also parading their role in defeating legislation to protect religious clergy who hold traditionally-Christian beliefs from being sued over their beliefs. This communicates to me both "you're the enemy, and we are working hard to make…

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Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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No, I can't. And it really isn't up to my imagination either. If this 'rational' person has a 'rational' argument for wanting to ban Muslims or gays then let's hear it because I can't imagine it. Yes, you will get pushback on that.

It wasn't a Muslim ban. The ban didn't include Malaysia, Indonesia, or Algeria for instance and many other Muslim countries. There were 6 countries on the travel ban list. There are 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world.

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on

That's a quote.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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I don't know. It is kind of hard. I feel that if someone supports Trump, it is my moral obligation to change their mind. I wouldn't shame or degrade them, but I would argue my point fairly strongly.

I'd say that makes my case for me. Politics has a draw, a tribalistic compulsion that draws everyone in. That's why it shouldn't exist in the workplace.

Or frankly, anywhere else for that matter. We should strive to be above those "tribalistic compulsions".

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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No, I can't. And it really isn't up to my imagination either. If this 'rational' person has a 'rational' argument for wanting to ban Muslims or gays then let's hear it because I can't imagine it. Yes, you will get pushback on that.

It wasn't a Muslim ban. The ban didn't include Malaysia, Indonesia, or Algeria for instance and many other Muslim countries. There were 6 countries on the travel ban list. There are 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world.

POTUS himself called it a Muslim ban several times, especially when asking Giuliani how to accomplish a Muslim ban legally.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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I don't get it, you don't like these articles because you find the idea that govt. negligence can actually kill people who rely on the govt. offensive?

You're changing the subject. My original assertion was that there's nothing magic about taxes that makes them unusually civil, it's simply that austerity is not an issue in US politics because the government has never tried to balance its budget. I cited the UK as a counter example. You suggested I had never engaged with their arguments because I described them as based in hatred. I proved that my description of thes…

More like: you presented a framing of the argument against austerity as purely being about tax levels, I gently mocked this. You then cited some guardian articles and reasoned that "Politicians that aim for a balanced budget without raising taxes = murderers" was a message. I replied questioning what you thought about what I took as the main message from those arguments: that govt. negligence can occur as a result of this tax policy. And now this:

"I proved that my description of these opinions was entirely accurate. You can find endless articles like that in the left wing press, or banners at protests that say exactly the same thing. This resolved the point you raised." Sure you did.

You conclusively proved that the mere existence of these arguments is offensive to you because you seem to believe that a policy such as austerity (or "tax policy"), which directly cuts the benefits that portions of the population rely on to survive, apparently has no effects and is a mere mathematical debate.

You also consistently proved that you see yourself as eminently rational and arrogantly above engaging with the arguments which are made against your world view. Given this, I'd say that your statement "Whether these articles have merit or not is irrelevant to my original point." is incorrect.

Re: At liberal tech companies, those who disagree on politics say they’re isolated

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" (which is the core conservative stance.)" Except that it isn't. People conflate all sorts of ideas about particular issues with the larger overarching political ideology. It's entirely possible to be conservative, be pro-gay marriage, pro abortion, pro legalization of marijuana, etc. There are some specific issues which the conservative ideology does fall squarely on, such as a resounding no to universal healthcare…

> the majority of political violence occurring in the US is being done in the name of liberal ideologies Gerrymandering, Voter suppression, bias against POC, denial of bodily autonomy for women, denial of basic rights to LGBTQ - all done in the name of conservative ideologies.

None of those things (with the exception of voter suppression) could be remotely classified as "political violence". While I find the idea of denying basic human rights to anyone repugnant, it is not violent in and of itself.

"Political violence" is violence perpetrated to reach political goals. For something to be political violence, it first must be violence, only then does the political angle even matter. I would also broadly separate "politicized violence" from "political violence". The first could be a war that is being discussed politically, the latter is physically assaulting someone because they hold a political view you disagree with.

Let's not play funny with words, it doesn't help the quality of the discussion. You're clearly not ignorant, so don't act that you are for the purpose of trolling. Not to mention, basically NONE of the things you brought up are part of the conservative ideology. You're focusing on "issues", which have nothing to do with ideologies. Ideologies are deeper, and determine individual's stances on issues. An individual can hold an ideology and have differing stances on an issue from other individuals with the same ideology.

Something helpful to consider might be that Republican != conservative and Democrat != liberal. While the terms are often conflated, it is wrong and done by pundits /specifically/ to confuse the conversation. Don't play into the same game.

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