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Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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A family member is a policeman in China and this is the way it is. I won't offer proof, for reasons I hope are obvious.

Considering you're posting under an anonymous premise. You should change the description to "family member". Less specific the better. =)

This is good advice, though it's really the sort of thing you need to get right first time if it matters to you - caches/archives will make "undoing" an edit possible a lot of the time.

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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I'm not saying it doesn't suck for westerners. What I am saying is that from my view, which is of course constrained by all kinds of limits, my best guess hypotheses that I am putting 100% of my money on in the form of all my investments, is that it doesn't yet suck for the vast majority of Chinese in their own minds. Like a drum roll, we've been forced to give 10-20% wage increases every single year to keep my talen…

> They are not clamoring for democracy. That's understandable, given that's against the law and would probably be a prison sentence.

Actually, there are plenty of propaganda posters for "democracy" (民主). You just can't go and demand actual input beyond electing your local party official.

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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What about using Windows 10 then which comes with a built-in VPN client? (A genuine concern of mine, we're building an embedded product based on Win 10 IoT and using its PPTP VPN for remote diagnostics.)

PPTP is obsolete and fundamentally insecure. And that isn't news but known at least since 1998 (!): https://www.schneier.com/academic/pptp/

It is unlikely that it would be blocked in China since eavesdropping is easily possible.

(Vanilla) OpenVPN is blocked in China, likewise is IPsec and L2TP. SSTP can also easily be detected via Active Probing but I'm not sure if the GFW currently does that.

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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It's iffy for Chinese nationals to run VPN services. But then, it's similarly iffy for American nationals to run other sorts of services. Such as online gambling. Or money transfer businesses that don't respect KYC regulations. That's just how it is. Each country gets to choose its policies. I mean, that's one of the fundamental points of being a country, isn't it?

> That's just how it is. Each country gets to choose its policies. I mean, that's the fundamental point of being a country, isn't it? Yes, but that’s not what’s happening in China. The fundamental point of being a country is to serve the common good, and to protect the life and liberty of your citizens. In China the ruling party doesn’t care about any of those things. A policy such as this would be a lot less horribl…

They did. China's communist party was chosen by popular support mid last century. The people wanted it, they fought for it, they got it. Why not respect their wishes?

Do you also think it's a tragedy that most of the world can't vote for the US government? They're affected by it but have no say in it. Especially countries that get invaded - which never stops happening.

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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> Standards of living increase year-over-year every single year I lived in China for a few years, and finally left early this year. Standard of living has been declining ever since I arrived, for me and for my local friends, many of them that were from other provinces that came to Shanghai. The declining factors included: 1.) Increasingly worse air pollution. It was not smart to exercise outdoors in the summer or win…

I'm not saying it doesn't suck for westerners. What I am saying is that from my view, which is of course constrained by all kinds of limits, my best guess hypotheses that I am putting 100% of my money on in the form of all my investments, is that it doesn't yet suck for the vast majority of Chinese in their own minds. Like a drum roll, we've been forced to give 10-20% wage increases every single year to keep my talen…

> it doesn't yet suck for the vast majority of Chinese in their own minds

For me that says more about them than about China.

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck for westerners. What I am saying is that from my view, which is of course constrained by all kinds of limits, my best guess hypotheses that I am putting 100% of my money on in the form of all my investments, is that it doesn't yet suck for the vast majority of Chinese in their own minds. Like a drum roll, we've been forced to give 10-20% wage increases every single year to keep my talen…

It sucks for Chinese also. To know their life expectancies are being sacrificed for cheaper exports...really sucks. That under the dome video was censored very quickly for a reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Dome_(film)

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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It's iffy for Chinese nationals to run VPN services. But then, it's similarly iffy for American nationals to run other sorts of services. Such as online gambling. Or money transfer businesses that don't respect KYC regulations. That's just how it is. Each country gets to choose its policies. I mean, that's one of the fundamental points of being a country, isn't it?

> That's just how it is. Each country gets to choose its policies. I mean, that's the fundamental point of being a country, isn't it? Yes, but that’s not what’s happening in China. The fundamental point of being a country is to serve the common good, and to protect the life and liberty of your citizens. In China the ruling party doesn’t care about any of those things. A policy such as this would be a lot less horribl…

In China, there are elections and anyone can vote. The only restriction is that only party nominees are on the ballot. Is this really so different from the US, where in many states the only people on the ballot are party nominees?

Re: Chinese Man Sentenced to Prison for Selling VPN Software

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post #25

It's iffy for Chinese nationals to run VPN services. But then, it's similarly iffy for American nationals to run other sorts of services. Such as online gambling. Or money transfer businesses that don't respect KYC regulations. That's just how it is. Each country gets to choose its policies. I mean, that's one of the fundamental points of being a country, isn't it?

> That's just how it is. Each country gets to choose its policies

But without democracy, it is in no sense "the country" that chooses the policy, it's just whatever group of thugs happens to be in control of the capital city.

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