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Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way to solve in the short term is to spread the risk across many banks, and never keep your money in one place. This is always good advice, and when you reach the maximum amount for which an account is insured (100K or thereabouts) it is an absolute must. I have my funds spread over five accounts just in case and make sure you note the legal differences between savings accounts and current accounts, the la…

I think the limit was upped to $250K in the wake of the financial crisis.

Joint accounts are also insured at 250k per person per bank and count separately from individual accounts. So a couple can have 3 accounts 2x 250k + 500k in a joint account at the same bank.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

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I would say (a) open a bank account with someone else and (b) contact someone from the BBC (eg https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qjnv/contact ) and make a noise.

Yeah, lots of options...

Ombudsman, politicians, media, lawyers, business interest groups...

HN probably isn't local enough.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#93

I think this is a huge problem and one that is going to continue and get worse. How is it the banks were the ones at fault, but the customers are paying for it. They just hide behind AML / Knowing your customer and say talk to your MP. I was locked out of internet banking for my business account with Lloyds for over 3 months due to a technical fault in the way it was setup. Was paid compensation in the end, but alrea…

I think part of the problem is banks don't make much money from the average account outside of fees. I would rather banks just charged say 20$ a month and had actual customer service instead of the mess big banks evolve into.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

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> Don’t bank with HSBC. After having similarly-frustrating things happen with my HSBC personal accounts over the years, I fully support this suggestion. They are awful. They take extreme steps (suspending accounts, rejecting payments, etc.) without contacting the customer; when you reach out to them, it's hours of being passed around before you reach the right person. If you reach a person at all.

I bank with them and will continue to do so for a while.

years ago, they were the only bank to open an account with my history from another country. all other us banks had the same bullshit "you won't even have a credit card with us until you have credit history in the us, even though we have branches in the country you have history".

then they were the only ones offering investments with no administration fee and with returns above the monopoly of .5 point under official inflation. they were actually 1 point above.

but yeah, every time I travel and forget to tell them before, my card get lots locked. and they claim they didn't call me before locking because it was sleep hours in my home timezone, in case I wasn't really traveling.

also driving in the us, every time I stop in a motel 6 and such, locked card.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#95

This is an intentional strategy to increase the 'cost of regulation' so they can lobby against it and go back to accepting shoeboxes of cash through deposit windows.

Or they want to get rid of a business that doesn't borrow money...

There is no money in banking services if they can't charge you extravagant fees.

It's ironic :)

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#96

> Don’t bank with HSBC. After having similarly-frustrating things happen with my HSBC personal accounts over the years, I fully support this suggestion. They are awful. They take extreme steps (suspending accounts, rejecting payments, etc.) without contacting the customer; when you reach out to them, it's hours of being passed around before you reach the right person. If you reach a person at all.

Their online banking is truly appalling, too. No full history of past payments to make a repeat payment easier. Weird distinction between 'current payments' (or whatever they call the default 'account' screen) and 'past statements' — seems like a hangover from the days when we used to get paper statements. Still a crazily short session timeout.

I would add to the list, but I can't login to my account at the moment since I don't have my bespoke HSBC 2FA physical device (despite having a far-superior, non-polluting equivalent on my phone...)

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#97
> The only way to solve in the short term is to spread the risk across many banks, and never keep your money in one place.

not only banks, you also have paypal, prepaid cards, etc.

and not only "short term"

eg. always avoid the "single point of failure"

the real infuriating part here is that those problems occur on a business account (not a personal account), if you pay extra for business you should get extra/faster service/resolution.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#98

UK banks are ridiculous and they're hastening their own demise to challenger banks with attitudes likes this. My bank (Barclays) suspended my account and blocked my cards after attempting to make a large payment. It was £2000 to the Student Loans Company. My account was a graduate account. All of the clever machine learning anti-fraud algorithms in the world couldn't figure that one out. Go figure.

UK banks seem to be the worst in the world.

I studied in the UK, lots of horror stories to tell:

# Name misspelled 4 times

* Santander: They spelled my name wrong on the debit card, 4 times in a row, with a different misspelling each time. Each time I had to go to the branch and type the correct spelling into a keyboard. They still got it wrong the next time. The 5th card was correct. I was without a working card for 3 months and had to pay everything in cash.

# Locked out after they sent money to somebody else

* Barclays: My flat mate paid me sublet rent. One of the transfer didn't arrive. When he checked, the money was sent to a completely different account number he had never entered (probably an off-by-one error in their code?). He called Barclays to correct the transfer. Instead of fixing the issue, they locked his account for 2 months, he couldn't pay any rent any more, he couldn't receive money from his parents to pay for rent or university fees.

# Ridiculous branch security

* Natwest: I'm at the branch with my friend. We're sitting directly in front of the clerk with her keyboard to her Windows computer in front of her. She unlocks the screen saver, 1-finger-typing the 5-character password (so I knew the password). Then she leaves us in the room alone for 10 minutes, not even locking the screen saver again. Also, the part of the PC where the keyboard is plugged into the USB is directly next to my right leg. It would be very easy to pop in a keylogger without anybody noticing (of course it has already been done: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10322536/Barcla... and http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-santander-arrests/gang-held...). Later she asks my friend for a password. My friend looks at me, I put my fingers into my ears. Afterwards the clerk asks "why did you put your fingers into your ears?". I respond it was so I wouldn't learn my friend's password, obviously. She replies "Oh wow, that's cute!". Such is the qualification and training of those who safeguard your money.

# Preventing my card getting blocked abroad with Jedi tricks

* Santander: I'm abroad in Hungary with my UK debit card being the only one I have with me. After buying an 8£ ticket from ticket machine of the Hungarian public train transport MAV, I get an automated call from Santander to confirm whether a potentially fraudulent payment of 8£ is legit. I confirm. After a short while I receive a text that says my card is now blocked. I call Santander's support. They say my card is blocked because of a fraudulent transaction. I say I just confirmed that this transaction is not fraudulent, please unlock my card. They say "sorry, your card cannot be unlocked it has been marked with a red flag". After being stunned for a moment by this idiocy I say "so what, remove the flag then". "I can't do that Sir, we'll have to send you a new card to your UK address". I lose it with "You will not send me a new card, I am abroad and this card is the only one I can pay with here! You will unlock my card NOW!" (My inner self makes an Obi-Wan-esque hand guesture.) To my surprise, the answer is "OK, I'll check it with my boss", and shortly after "OK, card is unlocked. But we'll send you a new card in one month". I never received a new card.

I've never had any such problems with German and Swiss banks.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#99

Reminds me of "Operation Chokepoint" where the U.S. federal government was able to persuade (not force) banks to cut off firearms dealers from their accounts in an effort to affect "unsavory businesses". Another reason why I want to avoid a cashless society, at least in the way we're heading right now. Scary how quickly banks will cave in to pressure from the feds before any legal process even begins (if ever). http:…

You'll be happy to know that the Trump administration is dismantling it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/17/trump-reverses-obam...

The presumption of guilt turns the entire concept of justice on its head. A 'cashless' society at best is one that ensures that only those at the top might get to enjoy the fruits of fraud and corruption.

Re: HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece 

#100
post #15

> Don’t bank with HSBC. After having similarly-frustrating things happen with my HSBC personal accounts over the years, I fully support this suggestion. They are awful. They take extreme steps (suspending accounts, rejecting payments, etc.) without contacting the customer; when you reach out to them, it's hours of being passed around before you reach the right person. If you reach a person at all.

> Don’t bank with HSBC. Unless you are a drug cartel, of course.

I don't think drug cartels have any trouble finding banks that will accommodate them.

and I doubt it will be hsbc nowadays since they become scapegoat on this issue a while ago.

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