You don't need anymore research to know it is obviously dangerous. What we do need is leadership that doesn't bow down to cronies & supports stupid beliefs.
I lost an uncle to black lung. Coal mining as an industry needs to die. And I grew up in WV.
US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
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Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
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I lost an uncle to black lung. Coal mining as an industry needs to die. And I grew up in WV.
Hello from WV. (Northern panhandle here) Most of my family were steel mill folks but before the mills took off they were miners. Coal and mining (in general) are hell on the body.
Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
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> That was quick. Usually it takes more than one reply before the Nazi references come out. I totally missed this in my reply, but in 2017 if folks are frequently calling you a Nazi it probably isn't a Seinfeld joke.
> I totally missed this in my reply, but in 2017 if folks are frequently calling you a Nazi it probably isn't a Seinfeld joke. You also missed that I was referring to small minded people jumping to using the word "Nazi" when commenting on anything that involves the President or executive branch.
But after Trump has repeatedly equovacated for and defended the honor literal, flag carrying neo-nazis, I feel comfortable directly addressing the executive's actions with these words. I think he's shown he's genuinely racist, and wants to help execute a racist agenda.
But my original post was referring to political "equal funding" laws that give money to any group that can get signatures on a page to run for office. You're just defensive about the executives politics, so you felt this was an attack.
Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
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> Sure and I'm not saying to block them all. I'm saying it's fine to take a look at them individually, there are no sacred cows, and labeling something "____ Science" doesn't make it beyond reproach. So you request a specific approach with reason and care offered, but base this on the generalism, "Science is not sacred?" Seems contratradictory but okay... Being specific, why wouldn't we carefully measure the impact o…
> So you request a specific approach with reason and care offered, but base this on the generalism, "Science is not sacred?" Seems contratradictory but okay... > Being specific, why wouldn't we carefully measure the impact of private industry on public health? Private industry isn't on the hook for health emergencies, the public is. So we shut this down because... "waste?" Sure but there's plenty of other things we s…
But you've shown very clearly that you're against measuring THIS specific thing. You've authored multiple long posts defending the idea that we can and should defund this specific study.
You've taken the default position that the majority of people upset over this are upset about the concept of defunding science. While there are concerns like that present here, we're discussing how concerning it is that Trump, who's shown himself to be anti-modern-energy & anti-environmental-regulation, is going to further damage the future of the US energy economy with actions like this.
> I'm pretty sure President Obama is the one that championed the phrase "Clean Coal".
He said it a few times, then distanced himself from it as it came out what an absolute fraud it is. His admin also kicked off this effort we're describing, so maybe we can balance the accounting for this one instance.
> It didn't make much sense when he said it either (though sequestration is interesting).
Thanks, Wikipedia. Carbon Sequestration is indeed linked off the "Clean Coal" page, but is ultimately an unrelated topic. Indeed, multiple carbon sequestration efforts are underway and they in no way justify the use of coal power plants or offset the damage of coal mining.
> So go make some money and fund a project to research the negative effects of things you don't like. Or lobby your representatives to do so. Or organize your fellow citizens to elect a group of officials that will do so.
We have done all these things, and part of the success of those efforts was the Obama administration kicking off these studies. But thanks for recapping history and implying that no one has done anything, thus far.
> It's "your cherries" because you're clearly offended by something in this action.
Offended? No, that'd imply that I'm surprised and was expecting better. I don't. The Trump industry is meticulously dismantling as much climate science, environmental regulation, and health & safety oversight as they can. This administration makes the W. Bush admin look positively pro-science.
> If you're of the opinion that budgets should be balanced and taxes should be low, then you have to be more selective in what you can afford.
But again, you show up here to say that tiny sums of cost for informing regulatory oversight are bad. You've dodged multiple attempts by multiple people to engage on subsidization, defense, and entitlement inefficiency. You've dodged or ignored it.
> All I've claimed from the beginning is that I think we need to look at funding proposals individually.
Your actions have demonstrated very clearly: you're not interested in balancing the budget. You're interested in defunding this science. That's why I asked Why. I repeat: Why are you interested in defending the decision to defund a study on the coal industry's health & safety impact?
You keep talking about how we should consider specifics, but you yourself refuse to address the specifics of this effort nor the more constrained domain of US budget balancing. This is why people don't believe you when you say this, it seems more like a quotable defense than a description of your actions in these threads.
> Similarly just because the prior administration funded a project does not mean the current one must continue it.
Trump & the Republican hose have made it pretty clear that the opposite is true: if the Obama admin started it, it should be erased. Too bad they're all so bad at their jobs.
Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
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I'd be surprised if this "community" could gather money for anything remotely useful. Also: I'd like to see the outcome of a fundraising, and the demographics of the donators, to see how many pledge outside of CA, and outside of the USA. This would give me an impression about the extent of the Trump is Satan and the world is about to end mindset. (imho nothing changes, things proceed with trump as before. business as…
> I'd be surprised if this "community" could gather money for anything remotely useful. You can't go right by starting an "attack" on a bunch of people of very diversified backgrounds and ideologies. > Also: I'd like to see the outcome of a fundraising, and the demographics of the donators, to see how many pledge outside of CA, and outside of the USA. This would give me an impression about the extent of the Trump is…
Yes I can. I just did it.
Btw. according to the law if I attacked people of homogenous backgrounds I could be punished (for racism and hate crimes). But Diverse people? Well...
Also: don't tell me what to do.
note: your server is down (the one linked in your profile)
Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
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You're forgetting about the $1.9 trillion nonprofit sector, of which 15% is spent on health research, 12% on public + social benefit...[1] That seems to bely the need for a government that can fund research that 'puts the advancement of our society over their own personal gain.' [1] https://philanthropynewyork.org/sites/default/files/resource...
Non-profit does not mean the system is working outside of capitalism or people are not making money.
Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining
#97You don't need anymore research to know it is obviously dangerous. What we do need is leadership that doesn't bow down to cronies & supports stupid beliefs.