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That's a lot of very highly skilled staff which they won't be able to reassemble for another product or project for years. Those people will scatter to the winds now. It's a shame they lacked the imagination to make them do something new. But then Oracle doesn't seem to have the organizational capability to start major new successful product lines anymore. They grow through acquisition.
As the only other major vendor of Sparc-based systems, I wonder if Fujitsu is picking up anyone out of this. I certainly hope so.
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It is very unlikely that Oracle will do the right thing. Oracle, as a company, is known to be ethically challenged. A company like Oracle that is known for its apathy towards its own developers cannot be expected to make careful consideration towards the software it is killing. For those, who have not worked in Oracle or have little understanding of Oracle's internal culture, I recommend this nice article about why J…
On the topic of Oracle and its corporate culture, you may also want to see part of the talk "Fork Yeah! The Rise and Development of illumos" by Byran Cantrill[1]. The language he uses to talk about Oracle is rather colorful. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=33m
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You couldn't care less about karma? If you're downvoted it is because your post is downright rude, and full with fallacies: argumentum ad verecundiam (stating your irrelevant age and experience, stating you lived before the internet existed), argumentum ad hominem (calling a random person on the internet whom you don't know a kid), non sequitur (none of what you wrote directly supports your claim). My explanation abo…
> OTOH, lack that connection and are more open to change provided they agree with the rationale. Nice way of saying that young people need to redo errors of the old. As for systemd - I'd wouldn't mind if it was executed properly. Booting speed is worst argument you can do for systemd - with ubiquitous SSD it doesn't really matter.
If you do want to talk boot speed, compare a sysv install versus a systemd install on an 850 Pro. There are a notable few seconds of difference!
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Is open-sourcing a codebase for an abandoned product somehow expensive or complicated? Are there legal or accounting issues? If not, it seems like buying a bit of good-will for the price of a bit of paperwork would be a useful investment.
I was at Intel once upon a time when they open sourced some telecom stuff they wanted to get out off. The issues were crazy because of the size of the code base that had accumulated from multiple acquisitions spanning many different divisions in different countries over many years. We couldn't even find people who could tell us what large chunks of the code did or whether they contained anything under patent, tradema…
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> opponents are vocal > bunch of us are silently enjoying Sorry to have to address this. It very much looks like underhand systemd forum/post control I have seen on a lot of other places. I wouldn't bother to respond but I lived in a former communist country and formulations like this kind of make me twitch. So number of opponents is very minor but they make lots of noise. While the 'normal' people, those who really…
"Things have to be said." Then say them. Simply posting that systemd is bad, and appealing to your position as an experienced UNIX user without giving specifics is just signalling at best. I probably count as a Veteran System Administrator myself, and personally I am tired of anti-systemd people coming into conversations that have little to do with systemd, and trying to hijack the conversation with content-light pos…
You are aware of the feature creep and taking over of every sane unix/linux utility? Usually with very questionable results, changing su or dns resolver, for the worse?
You know about number of vulnerabilities that are introduced by systemd, then dismissed and not-our-bug or wontfix?
You are aware of the tying in systemd with every other program they can get their hands on? That makes harder and harder to run properly secured machine that does not have systemd. Not saying to you since you know system administration but: This is a BAD thing.
You probably know about all vulnerabilities introduced by systemd? Coupled with inability to not use systemd, with its huge attack surface this makes Linux much less secure and monolith.
Back to my initial intention: there is huge trend throughout the industry that kills variety and ties in systems in a monolith mess. Systemd is just one of the data points. I care same way about Oracle buying Sun with one of the main reasons being MySQL. Thanks to MariaDB folks that lock in didn't happen but I was aware they will try it as soon as Oracle got hands on MySQL.
That's a lot of very highly skilled staff which they won't be able to reassemble for another product or project for years. Those people will scatter to the winds now. It's a shame they lacked the imagination to make them do something new. But then Oracle doesn't seem to have the organizational capability to start major new successful product lines anymore. They grow through acquisition.
Also, some of those "firings" come with a decent chunk of money; maybe some of the folks who stayed made a rational choice of waiting until fired, then will move to a prearranged job somewhere else.
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Not defending Oracle here, however I have learned working all these years in the context of Fortune 500 company cultures, that they are not alone. The way Oracle as company behaves, is quite common in that universe. I will miss having Solaris around.
I have worked in Oracle for 2 years and I have worked at other Fortune 500 companies. Oracle, by far, is the most soulless and lethargic company among all of them.
However those with heavy use of external consulting and off-shoring, seem to come pretty close.
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Compared to the alternatives? Definitely. As an application developer and hobby sysadmin, systemd is a godsend over the misconfigured and broken stuff distributions have delivered for years. systemd has made my work a lot more effective, and I’ve gained massive productivity.
> As an application developer and hobby sysadmin, systemd is a godsend over the misconfigured and broken stuff distributions have delivered for years. And that is roughly the size of the problem. If you're an application developer or a hobby sysadmin then probably systemd is good for you, but if you're an experienced sysadmin it spells 'fixed what wasn't broken' and it re-introduces many issues that were already thou…
Note the rise of "devops" that is basically about getting a straight line from devs to management so devs can sideline ops and their naysaying of the latest shinies devs wnats to sprinkle the projects with.
Another thing is that there is less and less interest in maintenance, because maintenance is not fun. The GNU generation i slowly leaving, and is being replaced with the "fun" generation that is hell bent on rewriting working, if crufty, systems using the latest language fads over a caffeine fueled weekend...
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> As an application developer and hobby sysadmin, systemd is a godsend over the misconfigured and broken stuff distributions have delivered for years. And that is roughly the size of the problem. If you're an application developer or a hobby sysadmin then probably systemd is good for you, but if you're an experienced sysadmin it spells 'fixed what wasn't broken' and it re-introduces many issues that were already thou…
Bingo. Way way too much of Linux these days is by devs for devs, and screw everyone else. Note the rise of "devops" that is basically about getting a straight line from devs to management so devs can sideline ops and their naysaying of the latest shinies devs wnats to sprinkle the projects with. Another thing is that there is less and less interest in maintenance, because maintenance is not fun. The GNU generation i…
Dumbing these down to make it possible to run these highly skilled and specialized jobs as part-time job without relevant training is one of the main reasons the state of software is what it is.