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As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

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Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

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Post by Rotareti »

john61 wrote: post #30

Vienna had this problem decades ago when the city donated a lot of gratis bikes without any registration / GPS whatsoever. Just take the bike and leave it anywhere. They replaced the system with a station based one with registration, and a small fee after 1 hour usage. This works well.

Hamburg has these bikes too, since about 5 years or so. They have an App to unlock the bikes from a station. These stations are everywhere. It's such a nice addition to public transportation! And it's free for 30min, which is enough for most rides.

Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

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Post by Proven »

sethherr wrote: post #18
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space taken by car-parking is typically in dedicated parking lots: out of the way and doesn't impede public rights-of-way - compare to having bicycles ridden on sidewalks and interfering with car traffic.

Also "interfering with car traffic" is silly. Bikes are traffic too and have just as much right to being in the road as cars.

We can't know because it's a socialist hellhole where the government decides.

They don't pay any road or fuel tax so I'd say they don't have any right, but again this is China where the government decides for you.

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Post by lostlogin »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #14
sethherr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of space taken up by car parking makes me generally unsympathetic to complaints about bike sharing "taking up too much public space" - though perhaps there is less car parking in china.

Space taken by car-parking is typically in dedicated parking lots: out of the way and doesn't impede public rights-of-way - compare to having bicycles ridden on sidewalks and interfering with car traffic.

Isn't the road and foot path a public right of way? Is there anything rivalling cars in terms of public space taken up by private property?

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Post by lostlogin »

adrianN wrote: post #37
Luc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as novice bicyclists can have difficulty maintaining 25mph That's 40 km/h. Are you trolling or is that a typo? I've been bicycling nearly daily for >45 years and I've never gone that fast.

It's not terribly hard for a fit male to maintain 40km/h for a while on a nice racing bike. But I think 25km/h is a more reasonable top speed. It's also the speed where electric bicycles stop supporting the driver, at least here in Germany.

To average 40 you'd have to live somewhere quite flat I suspect.

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Post by dilemma »

kelukelugames wrote: post #28
edoceo wrote: post #22

We have three vendors for $1 bikes in Seattle. Choose green, yellow or orange. Nearly zero difference. Now they are being abused (hung from poles, dumped in the lake, etc) What's going to become of these 1000s of bikes toward our long winter, all the casual sunny-day riders are gone.

I saw an adult riding one in the suburbs yesterday. Really weird to see an adult riding a bike without the full spandex gear.

Why?

Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

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Post by lostlogin »

princeb wrote: post #23

melbourne and singapore are also seeing these problems. long story short, there are twats in every country. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-17/obike-responds-to-crit... https://vulcanpost.com/608463/bike-sharing-singapore/

Are you from the UK? It's usually munters who cause problems in NZ and Australia.

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Post by neves »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #34
edoceo wrote: post #22

We have three vendors for $1 bikes in Seattle. Choose green, yellow or orange. Nearly zero difference. Now they are being abused (hung from poles, dumped in the lake, etc) What's going to become of these 1000s of bikes toward our long winter, all the casual sunny-day riders are gone.

There was an article fairly recently on HN about how bike sharing is failing in San Francisco because it's so hilly. All the bikes would start at the top of hills and end up at the bottom and there was no system in place to relocate them back to the top.

In the somewhat hilly Madrid, the system is of electric bikes.

In Paris, if you leave the bike in Montmartre (high hill) they give more time in your hide.

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