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As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

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#31

It seems to say more about the mentality of the investing community than anything else. I'd say good ideas are scarce and/or investors aren't really able to identify them, so they wind up doing the same thing everyone else is doing. Would love to hear examples of recent investments in Chinese startups that have businesses based on something truly novel.

"Liulishuo raises approximately $100M in Series C funding to extend its lead in building smart AI English teachers"

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/liulishuo-raises-app...

Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

#32
Rudeness and inconsiderateness are everywhere, but as anyone who has lived in China for a long period of time can tell you, it is endemic in China. I'm not aware of any place where the problem is generally thought to be as bad.

Why, I don't know. The one-two punches of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution come to mind. As to why China was affected more than other places that suffered similar trauma, maybe it's because China is big enough that it can serve as its own world. Most Chinese people can choose to have no dealings with foreigners if they want, unlike somewhere like, say, Cambodia.

The bikes certainly aren't causing some wave of inconsiderateness. It's just a more visible way for the extreme inconsiderateness of the general mentality in China to be expressed.

Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

#33
A universally applicable phenomenon where lack of ownership leads to uncivil behavior got caught in China due to its sheer scale of sharing economy and NYT says "Great material for China bashing. Make sure we get a good title to reflect how bad China is."

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#34
post #22

We have three vendors for $1 bikes in Seattle. Choose green, yellow or orange. Nearly zero difference. Now they are being abused (hung from poles, dumped in the lake, etc) What's going to become of these 1000s of bikes toward our long winter, all the casual sunny-day riders are gone.

There was an article fairly recently on HN about how bike sharing is failing in San Francisco because it's so hilly. All the bikes would start at the top of hills and end up at the bottom and there was no system in place to relocate them back to the top.

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#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also "interfering with car traffic" is silly. Bikes are traffic too and have just as much right to being in the road as cars.

Many bicyclists are afraid to be on the road, and many drivers believe roads are for aggressive car/truck drivers only. There is some basis for this, as novice bicyclists can have difficulty maintaining 25mph for miles, and many drivers are eager to prove their engine is stronger than a pair of legs.

> as novice bicyclists can have difficulty maintaining 25mph

That's 40 km/h. Are you trolling or is that a typo?

I've been bicycling nearly daily for >45 years and I've never gone that fast.

Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space taken by car-parking is typically in dedicated parking lots: out of the way and doesn't impede public rights-of-way - compare to having bicycles ridden on sidewalks and interfering with car traffic.

Also "interfering with car traffic" is silly. Bikes are traffic too and have just as much right to being in the road as cars.

I think he was referring to the bit of the article where it said bicycles were "haphazardly along streets and public squares, snarling traffic and cluttering sidewalks" rather than bikes being ridden.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many bicyclists are afraid to be on the road, and many drivers believe roads are for aggressive car/truck drivers only. There is some basis for this, as novice bicyclists can have difficulty maintaining 25mph for miles, and many drivers are eager to prove their engine is stronger than a pair of legs.

> as novice bicyclists can have difficulty maintaining 25mph That's 40 km/h. Are you trolling or is that a typo? I've been bicycling nearly daily for >45 years and I've never gone that fast.

It's not terribly hard for a fit male to maintain 40km/h for a while on a nice racing bike. But I think 25km/h is a more reasonable top speed. It's also the speed where electric bicycles stop supporting the driver, at least here in Germany.

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#38
post #30

Vienna had this problem decades ago when the city donated a lot of gratis bikes without any registration / GPS whatsoever. Just take the bike and leave it anywhere. They replaced the system with a station based one with registration, and a small fee after 1 hour usage. This works well.

That's similar to the system here in Helsinki. There are specific stations all over the city where you can collect/drop-off your bike.

You get 30 minutes of free time each time you "checkout" a bike, and are charged extra if you go beyond that.

People do seem to use the system sensibly, taking a bike to go somewhere. Doing their stuff, then taking a second bike home such that the don't keep the same one for >30 minutes to incur the extra (small) charges.

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#39
I am currently living in Shanghai and I use Mobike, Ofo, or 赶赶单车 to get to work everyday. I have logged over 250km between the services.

This article is largely unfair. The city has large swaths of sidewalk established as bike parking zones. I can almost always find a bike zone within 10-50m. Furthermore, there are almost always parking attendants and security guards outside of malls and subway stations ensuring that bikes are parked correctly. Even when these people aren't present, I rarely ever see bikes anywhere but the bike zones. And as much space as the bikes take up, it is NOTHING compared to the parked cars along the streets.

Furthermore, I see company trucks collecting and relocating bikes multiple times per week. They are constantly shifting bikes of high supply to areas of demand. There are certain times of day (eg Saturday night at the Bund) where there are untold legions of bikes, but car traffic is flowing well.

Many of the trips that I've taken on a Mobike were out of convenience. In American cities the fastest mode of transportation is almost always a car. However, because the bikes are essentially door-to-door with no delay, I can almost always beat a hired car because there is no delay and I can zip between waiting traffic.

Chinese cities are being strangled to death by the crazy growth in car traffic. There has been insane immigration to cities and average income has gone way up. The net effect is a lot more car usage. Every taxi driver I have complains about the ever-worsening traffic conditions, year-over-year trip times increasing etc.

Bike sharing does A LOT to alleviate this by providing a convenient, quick, and cheap ($0.10-0.20 / 30min) method to travel. This is all ignoring the obvious ecological impact of the many tons of CO2 not released by the saved hydrocarbon fueled trips.

Re: As Bike-Sharing Brings Out Bad Manners, China Asks, What’s Wrong with Us?

#40
LOL

What's wrong is this:

1) the government teaches its people that Chinese culture is superior to others, and perfect too so they don't need to improve

2) this is aided by the fascistic control of the media so even those who might want to learn, can't

3) socialism - just like in the USA - is messing them up. I don't expect American socialists to understand, but libertarians have surely noticed the main problem in TFA is the lack of private property

Most hilariously, I absolutely love to read these articles in leftist media who are always shocked that something doesn't work. Riot!

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