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US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

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Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

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The information age is built on gathering raw data and doing pure research, neither of which are profitable activities. The implied threshold for wastefulness here is offensively low; basically any project that might require one moderately competent PhD researcher for a year.

Its not about waste. Its about the identity politics of coal miners and sticking it to "globalists".

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post #61

The information age is built on gathering raw data and doing pure research, neither of which are profitable activities. The implied threshold for wastefulness here is offensively low; basically any project that might require one moderately competent PhD researcher for a year.

Its not about waste. Its about the identity politics of coal miners and sticking it to "globalists".

Precisely, this is Trump trying to raise his poll numbers.

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The information age is built on gathering raw data and doing pure research, neither of which are profitable activities. The implied threshold for wastefulness here is offensively low; basically any project that might require one moderately competent PhD researcher for a year.

You hit the nail on the head, pure research is not a profitable activity. This is why we can't trust companies and corporations to research.. their motives are almost always profit driven. This only underlines the importance of government funded research, and the need to have a government in place who is willing to put the advancement of our society over their own personal gain (We don't have that right now..).

You're forgetting about the $1.9 trillion nonprofit sector, of which 15% is spent on health research, 12% on public + social benefit...[1]

That seems to bely the need for a government that can fund research that 'puts the advancement of our society over their own personal gain.'

[1]https://philanthropynewyork.org/sites/default/files/resource...

Re: US government halts study on health effects of coal mining

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I'd be surprised if this "community" could gather money for anything remotely useful. Also: I'd like to see the outcome of a fundraising, and the demographics of the donators, to see how many pledge outside of CA, and outside of the USA. This would give me an impression about the extent of the Trump is Satan and the world is about to end mindset. (imho nothing changes, things proceed with trump as before. business as…

You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

You just admitted the would-be study actually has ulterior motives. That's not good.

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> can projects that the current government doesn't like. All administrations do that.

Really? Can you show me a legitimate scientific project that the Obama administration shut down?

As I recall, one couldn't (and still can't) get funding for research into medicinal uses of drugs like marijuana and heroin.

Politics always drives what gets government research funding and what doesn't. Politics defines what is "legitimate" and what isn't, and those shift over time.

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You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

You just admitted the would-be study actually has ulterior motives. That's not good.

No ulterior motives were suggested. Just side-benefits.

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The issue of reducing wasteful spending across the government, at all levels, is near and dear to many of us.

And as such these tiny tiny cuts are a good idea? It's very dangerous to call defunding of sciences and regulatory oversight to be "wasteful" spending. They are both inexpensive and tend to be valable for decades to come. Maybe Trump, his team, and the Republican majority in every branch of government could do something positive about entitlement spending? It'd be great to get back to a US where we actually spend non…

There's nothing sacred about science that makes it untouchable or puts it above all other spending.

It's talk like that which leads to bloated budgets that never get resolved because everything falls in that category to someone.

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You're not thinking strategically. The US is one of the biggest emitters of CO2, and coal plants are about 1/3 of that. If the study can convince the population to reduce their use, even if with a different argument, that's helpful for the whole planet.

You just admitted the would-be study actually has ulterior motives. That's not good.

No, I suggested the hypothetical future international HN funders could have ulterior motives.

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I'm still waiting for us to actually cut wasteful spending in areas like defense. Too bad that will never happen. The Gov can just keep cutting science spending.

But defense create jobs!

This is very true. However it also creates weapons that are sitting around waiting for justifying their existence. Unless you really need these weapons (and I absolutely recognize it can be the case), shouldn't we use the money on other pursuits that will not have this nasty side effect?
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