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Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by xj9 »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #117
Spivak wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should probably split hairs here. I would love for all of my appliances to be networked -- just not on the public internet. - Preheat the oven as I'm driving home - Alert me when my laundry/dishes are done - Alert me if my air filter needs replaced. - Manage my AC/Heating for maximum energy efficiency. - Real time energy usage monitoring. - Turn on/off lights when I arrive/leave.

Assuming you have a dynamic ip this won't be possible without a cloud service.

use an overlay network like i2p or cjdns. problem solved

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by ghaff »

maxerickson wrote: post #109
amelius wrote: post #87

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> Hell, you could just input a list you type up yourself. If you put that much effort into it, then you can just as well remember what you need to buy when.

I write down a shopping list because otherwise I forget things. It would be hard to make something more convenient than a pen and paper though. And in the store crossing things off the nigh indestructible scrap of worthless paper is better than fiddling with a device.

Adding items to a shopping list is actually one of the relatively few things I end up using my Amazon Echo for. It's easier to add and I don't forget my phone when I go to the store (or end up going when I didn't plan to). I'm not a huge Echo fan overall but I do find it good for that.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by koolba »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #64
DannyBee wrote: post #25

Are they shutting down using a super-complicated completely over engineered method of shutting down, or the regular way?

There was Shutdownify, but now there isn't a trace of it left, aside from news articles about how fake it was.

My gut says that they'd have a lot of repeat customers.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by dv_dt »

keithpeter wrote: post #115
jpao79 wrote: post #19

I think they went about getting to market wrong. They should not have targeted end consumers with their equipment. They should have went after the convenience store market using the soda dispenser/automated latte/vending machine/icee making business model. Basically convince the store owner to have some refrigerated space dedicated to the pouches and then put the machine nearby for the customer to make their own juic…

Zumex is quite common in UK and does not hit the higher end of your price range. I admit to a slightly childish glee in ordering an orange juce and watching the machine peel and juice the fresh oranges. (Mostly I eat actual fruit). http://www.zumex.com/en

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Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by ogreface »

rdl wrote: post #89
jpao79 wrote: post #19

I think they went about getting to market wrong. They should not have targeted end consumers with their equipment. They should have went after the convenience store market using the soda dispenser/automated latte/vending machine/icee making business model. Basically convince the store owner to have some refrigerated space dedicated to the pouches and then put the machine nearby for the customer to make their own juic…

The problem is the founders did come from that world and tried to consumerize it. If they'd focused on per-juice-cost (thus, high volume) and gone from attended to semi-attended (office) or unattended (vending machine) it might have won. They also could have just built a "scrappier" v1.0 hardware product at a lower cost (maybe with rollers or something) at 50% BOM cost and subsidized it a bit more. At $200 + $6-8 per…

Rollers were my immediate thought as to how to get the juice out. Would love one of their engineers to chime in and talk about the reasons they built it that way.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by geofft »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #117
Spivak wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should probably split hairs here. I would love for all of my appliances to be networked -- just not on the public internet. - Preheat the oven as I'm driving home - Alert me when my laundry/dishes are done - Alert me if my air filter needs replaced. - Manage my AC/Heating for maximum energy efficiency. - Real time energy usage monitoring. - Turn on/off lights when I arrive/leave.

Assuming you have a dynamic ip this won't be possible without a cloud service.

You need one cloud service to tell you what your dynamic IP is, but we've had that service since at least 2001.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by mgkimsal »

compiler-guy wrote: post #102
aoenht2nte8 wrote: post #70

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> The concept of food that's uniquely tagged and tracked from origin to consumption is pretty attractive - makes contamination a breeze to trace back, keeps you from cooking with rotten food since the machine knows to reject it, and it could automatically track what you've got in your kitchen to suggest recipes / restock for you. What makes you think people want those things? I certainly don't, and I've never heard a…

I don't want any appliance like that either, and I find the Kuerig coffee maker appalling. That said, Kuerig sells many of their machines, and many people like and use them. That fact is very strong evidence that there is a strong market for this type of product if it is done correctly. In other words, people do want this kind of product.

At the right price point, probably.

On demand juice for $2-$3/serving? Nope.

We use kcups at the coworking space here, and at 30-35c, they're worth the convenience. 60c? $1? Nope - we'll just brew a big pot.

But... we can get kcups from dozens of vendors with various flavors and price points. If a juicer machine had low price points (original machine and packs) that were available from multiple vendors... yeah, I'd go for it. But it's gotta have all these other factors (flexible vendors and low prices) which I'm not sure anyone wants to target.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

samstave wrote: post #118
keerthiko wrote: post #73

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If it knows when and where for everything about an ingredient, it probably also knows the tagged expiry/best-before. It's easy to play it safe and just reject everything past expiry, even if it need not actually have gone bad. And consumers who prioritize contamination safety (not everyone believes expiry dates, but many do) can respect that. There are cases where something can go bad before its expiry date, due to i…

There are low-tech versions of spoilage alert. oxygen sensitive stickers that change color if too much o2 detected inside the package.. However - there is one food label that I have always wanted on meats: slaughter date, freeze/pack date, sell date, cook date, eat date. So if I go to the store and there is meat in the freezer - when was that meat caught/slaughtered/packed/frozen. Am I eating something a year old? If…

I eat year+ old beef all the time: I buy an entire year's supply at once and freeze it. Tastes fine.

What I really would like is a "picked on" label on fruits & vegetables. A cucumber from my garden is fine 3 weeks after picking. One from the grocery store is barely edible a few days after purchase.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Post by ghaff »

dragonwriter wrote: post #20
teej wrote: post #5

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I thought the fundamental (and well documented) problem with Juicero is that they over-engineered themselves into a product that was far beyond what a consumer would ever pay for a kitchen appliance. Kinda like exactly what the article says.

Consumers will (and do, all the time) spebd $700 or more for kitchen appliances, provided the use of the appliance is expected to provide adequate value to warrant that. The fact that it's a juicer, and that you are locked-in to Juicero packs, is what limits the market, not the fact that it is a “kitchen appliance”.

Yep. You can buy a Vitamix for about the same amount of money which is great for making smoothies but also certain soups, adult beverages, etc.
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