> "the total combined maintenance and fuel costs of the Tesla Model S were $10,492 [...] of these costs, $6,900 was scheduled maintenance and $3500 was headlight damage"
So the fuel costs are only $92? (10,492 - 6,900 - 3,500)
Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
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Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So they saved a bunch of money by putting a ton of miles on before age related problems started showing up. In other news the sky is blue. Even if that's true the comparison to the maintenance and fuel coats of other similarly driven luxury vehicles is still valid.
Except the fuel costs. They used subsidized electricity costs through Tesla charging network at 0$ cost. That would be like saying MB giving 0$ gas if u fill up at their designated gas stations. Tesla still comes out on top, but I have never heard of that lengthy repairs for MB. General maintenance a few hours, big issues a few days max. U can take it to any MB dealership or authorized repair shop, or local shop. Cou…
If MB gave gas for free, Tesloop could have removed the fuel costs from the S-Class total. But MB doesn't give gas for free. On the other hand, Tesloop have benefited massively from Tesla's subsidized charging. I'm curious why you think it should be ignored.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Supercharger cost is $0? Apparently only for the first 400kWh per annum for models S and X, which Tesla says is good for about 1000 miles [1]. Electricity is not free, even if Tesla is subsidizing it. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging
All older S and X have free unlimited supercharging, and new ones do as well if brought via a referral.
True but the more relevant question for someone making a decision today is how the economics change if you include the cost of electricity.
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…
I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond. And to tigershark, Ferrari and La…
BS, my KIA’s are both piles of shit at 99k miles. The Optima SX Turbo is fucking trash, has had the high pressure fuel pump go out twice like clockwork at 33k miles each round. The infotainment system is non-upgradable technology, that is severely outdated. Now my Cooper S Mini, this fucker has been rock solid.
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…
I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond. And to tigershark, Ferrari and La…
You don't need a Ferrari or Lamborghini to get an unreliable Italian car. You could also get a Fiat or Alpha Romeo.
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm shocked by that. I had a Honda Fit for five years with about 50,000 miles, besides smog tests and getting new tires I never had to take it to a shop. I would expect more up-market brands to have even better reliability. Is this common that cheaper cars have better maintenance, or was I lucky?
Japanese cars are famously reliable. German cars are not. A Toyota Corolla is miles ahead of a Mercedes S Class.
How many Japanese vehicles were compromised (and had resulting loss of use) by the Takata airbag debacle?
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm shocked by that. I had a Honda Fit for five years with about 50,000 miles, besides smog tests and getting new tires I never had to take it to a shop. I would expect more up-market brands to have even better reliability. Is this common that cheaper cars have better maintenance, or was I lucky?
Japanese cars are famously reliable. German cars are not. A Toyota Corolla is miles ahead of a Mercedes S Class.
This is shocking to me. Do you have any insight? Mercedeses newer than 2010 are considered incredibly reliable here in Europe. They had a rough decade before that, but since the introduction of W212 E-Klasse, they're back on track. Is that different for USA models?
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Supercharger cost is $0? Apparently only for the first 400kWh per annum for models S and X, which Tesla says is good for about 1000 miles [1]. Electricity is not free, even if Tesla is subsidizing it. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging
All older S and X have free unlimited supercharging, and new ones do as well if brought via a referral.
It is very misleading - I would call it deceptive - for the article to say "total combined maintenance and fuel costs of the Tesla Model S..." [my emphasis] when the fuel costs are covered by Tesla, especially as this is a loss-leader that you can no longer take advantage of.
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…
I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond. And to tigershark, Ferrari and La…
Ford is mostly okay these days, other than two of their most popular cars made in the past 5 years (2011-2016 Focus/Fiesta) having such horrible reliability issues that they're now paying out huge sums of money to a class action settlement. To be fair this was the result of their attempt to "innovate" by making a very cheap dual clutch transmission and seems to be a one-off (extremely expensive) design flaw. These transmissions last ~20K miles.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a10316276/what-you-n...
Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Japanese cars are famously reliable. German cars are not. A Toyota Corolla is miles ahead of a Mercedes S Class.
This is shocking to me. Do you have any insight? Mercedeses newer than 2010 are considered incredibly reliable here in Europe. They had a rough decade before that, but since the introduction of W212 E-Klasse, they're back on track. Is that different for USA models?
How can you call any car newer than 2010 "incredibly reliable"? There's not nearly enough data on it. I would certainly expect a car less than 10 years old to be reliable, incredibly reliable to me implies at least 20 years of reliable operation. I own 2 Japanese cars that are both over 20 years old and have over 250K miles/400K km each, one of which is a Corolla, and they still run fine.