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Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by base698 »

dmix wrote: post #35
dmitrygr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said I wish to punish them regulatorily. I disprove of such tactics in general. I said that I (personally) will punish them financially by not buying their products until I can be sure they can provide the level of service that I require.

Then you were likely never an ideal early adopter for their products anyway, which is how they should be perceived if you want to compare them to Chevy and Ford. It may not be polite to say this but it's the reality of business. Tesla's ability to solve this problem will likely be their greatest challenge going forward. They've proven repeatedly that they can get their product and marketing right to get customers. Bu…

Most people jump on the fanboyism of Tesla spouting nonsense like, "electric cars don't require maintenance." Seems like everyone believes this and rightly expected them to work. There are enough negatives with them being EV to cover adopter risk. Part of the getting buy in was the assumption they worked...

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by phd514 »

danans wrote: post #57
dmitrygr wrote: post #5

Sadly, if you are not a company with a name like Tesloop, but a normal user, the issue is not cost of service but time wasted on waiting for it. Unlike a real car, teslas can only be serviced by tesla...so.... https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunne/2016/10/31/my-firs... https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla... http://www.autonews.com/article/20161113/RETAIL05/311149995/... http://insideevs.c…

> Oh, and forget doing your own maintenance or buying parts to do so. No such luck - Unlike a real car manufacturer, Tesla won't sell them to you. That might be a legitimate criticism of an economy priced car targeted at a very cost sensitive market, but a Tesla Model S is not that car. I doubt a significant fraction of owners of recent model year $100k+ luxury cars are doing their own maintenance, or there are enoug…

The price of a car is not inversely related to the likelihood that its owner does maintenance and repairs himself or herself. Sports car enthusiasts do more of their own maintenance than the average car owner. As an example, check out rennlist.com for Porsche owners, many of whom have cars that are well over $100k in price. If anything, shelling out that much cash for a car should entitle you to priority access to parts for the vehicle.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by mannykannot »

portman wrote: post #6
tyrust wrote: post #2

Neat. >During the first 300,000 miles the total combined maintenance and fuel costs of the Tesla Model S were $10,492, with a total of 12 days in the shop. Had this been an Mercedes S class, the scheduled routine maintenance and fuel would have been $86,000 ($52,000 maintenance and $36,000* fuel) with 112 days of servicing, or for a Lincoln Town Car $70k,000 ($28,000 maintenance and $42,000 fuel) with around 100 days…

> The electric drivetrain, when coupled with a vast supercharging network... I took that to mean that the car exclusively refueled on Superchargers, so the fuel cost was $0. That is a legitimate apples-to-apples comparison to the ICE vehicles.

Supercharger cost is $0? Apparently only for the first 400kWh per annum for models S and X, which Tesla says is good for about 1000 miles [1].

Electricity is not free, even if Tesla is subsidizing it.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by sergers »

danans wrote: post #52
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #15

So they saved a bunch of money by putting a ton of miles on before age related problems started showing up. In other news the sky is blue. It's component deterioration from age that really gets you on a luxury car. Seat motors fail, wiring harnesses deteriorate, etc. It's also worth mentioning that they didn't crash one. With enough road hours eventually it will happen. The vehicles that can be serviced by a normal s…

> So they saved a bunch of money by putting a ton of miles on before age related problems started showing up. In other news the sky is blue. Even if that's true the comparison to the maintenance and fuel coats of other similarly driven luxury vehicles is still valid.

Except the fuel costs.

They used subsidized electricity costs through Tesla charging network at 0$ cost.

That would be like saying MB giving 0$ gas if u fill up at their designated gas stations.

Tesla still comes out on top, but I have never heard of that lengthy repairs for MB. General maintenance a few hours, big issues a few days max.

U can take it to any MB dealership or authorized repair shop, or local shop. Courtesy pickup, drop off and or loaner vehicle. Don't even need special status.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by nbanks »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #15

So they saved a bunch of money by putting a ton of miles on before age related problems started showing up. In other news the sky is blue. It's component deterioration from age that really gets you on a luxury car. Seat motors fail, wiring harnesses deteriorate, etc. It's also worth mentioning that they didn't crash one. With enough road hours eventually it will happen. The vehicles that can be serviced by a normal s…

At least the aluminium body of the Model S and X won't rust the way most cars do in places that use road salt in the winter. Can't say the same for the Model 3.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by KGIII »

gordon_freeman wrote: post #67
prostoalex wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do admit they have a problem on that front and are addressing it, so there's no reason to think it's a permanent issue that will still be around in 3-5 years. Mobile deployment trucks, e.g., are handling the easiest issues that do not require a visit to a service center. Tesla's service centers are all corporate-owned, so unlike traditional dealership model, all the startup and operating costs are born by the co…

If I am a Tesla owner who has paid more than $70,000 for a car then I'd at least expect my time is not wasted in waiting for my car to be serviced. All these "cash-on-hand" and "they do admit they have problem on hand" and "it's not a permanent issue" are not my problem. AFAIK, Tesla keeps investing money they make in their projects like Tesla Semi and building 4 new Gigafactories. So at this point it seems to me tha…

From your tone, I'm guessing you're not a Tesla owner. You're right, in that it is not your problem. If you wish to ensure it remains not your problem, don't buy a Tesla.

It's fairly new tech that's being made in small quantities. You'll face the same sorts of problems if you buy a Porsche. The Bugatti Veryon is recommended to have tire changes done by shipping it back to the factory.

Tesla is not ready for the mass market. It is not yet made in mass market numbers. Buying a Tesla today, and expecting to not suffer the consequences of being an early adopter, is silly. Maybe don't do that?

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by maxsilver »

woodandsteel wrote: post #53
rgbrenner wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does not sound like a vehicle which will ever be produced in quantity ... take my chances with a niche discontinued product. You heard it here first guys... the #1 selling electric vehicle in the US last month [0] is not popular enough to risk buying it. Chevy's investing heavily in expanding production [1], in preparation to shut it down and discontinue it. Everyone stay away... 0. http://insideevs.com/monthly-…

That's somewhat misleading. The Bolt is not competing against the Model S, but the Model 3, which is going to be produced in vastly larger numbers. Let me add I am disappointed Bolt sales are so low. I want to see EV's entirely replace ICE's, and that will happen faster if there are more different popular brands and models for buyers to choose from.

> Let me add I am disappointed Bolt sales are so low

Well, they are also sold out in most places.

Bolt sales would be higher if they were actually in stock and available to purchase in every state.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by prostoalex »

KGIII wrote: post #76
gordon_freeman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am a Tesla owner who has paid more than $70,000 for a car then I'd at least expect my time is not wasted in waiting for my car to be serviced. All these "cash-on-hand" and "they do admit they have problem on hand" and "it's not a permanent issue" are not my problem. AFAIK, Tesla keeps investing money they make in their projects like Tesla Semi and building 4 new Gigafactories. So at this point it seems to me tha…

From your tone, I'm guessing you're not a Tesla owner. You're right, in that it is not your problem. If you wish to ensure it remains not your problem, don't buy a Tesla. It's fairly new tech that's being made in small quantities. You'll face the same sorts of problems if you buy a Porsche. The Bugatti Veryon is recommended to have tire changes done by shipping it back to the factory. Tesla is not ready for the mass…

I disagree, and I am a model S owner for 18 months. Tesla vehicles seem to follow the "Microsoft in the 90s" trajectory where a 1.0 is a rushed and unstable product, 1.1 is a "service pack" fixing most issues and 1.2 is a reliable workhorse.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by selectout »

mannykannot wrote: post #73
portman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The electric drivetrain, when coupled with a vast supercharging network... I took that to mean that the car exclusively refueled on Superchargers, so the fuel cost was $0. That is a legitimate apples-to-apples comparison to the ICE vehicles.

Supercharger cost is $0? Apparently only for the first 400kWh per annum for models S and X, which Tesla says is good for about 1000 miles [1]. Electricity is not free, even if Tesla is subsidizing it. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging

All older S and X have free unlimited supercharging, and new ones do as well if brought via a referral.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by Frondo »

krrrh wrote: post #58
danans wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, and forget doing your own maintenance or buying parts to do so. No such luck - Unlike a real car manufacturer, Tesla won't sell them to you. That might be a legitimate criticism of an economy priced car targeted at a very cost sensitive market, but a Tesla Model S is not that car. I doubt a significant fraction of owners of recent model year $100k+ luxury cars are doing their own maintenance, or there are enoug…

If the alternative is waiting over a month for a service appointment I think a lot of people would be willing do do a home repair.

I know a few Tesla owners (I'm not one myself). The Tesla's a fun car for them, and a daily driver for one of them, but in no case their only car.

None of them has any interest in doing their own repairs, and never will.

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