Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change • Hacker News Board

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dang » Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 6:06 AM UTC

mercurysmessage wrote: post #23

DarkKomunalec wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stop having babies Most of the west has already drastically reduced the number of babies. All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead.

I don't know why you insist on spreading this ignorance all over HN, this really isn't the place for your rhetoric.

You violated the HN guidelines badly by perpetuating this hellish and tedious flamewar. Please don't do that again.

Moreover, your comment history has many cases of being uncivil to others, as well as using HN for political battle. We ban accounts that do these things, so would you please stop doing them? They destroy the things that this site is supposed to be for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dang » Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 6:07 AM UTC

reitanqild wrote: post #67

mercurysmessage wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you defending this person so much here? > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead What do you infer from this? It's pretty obvious. This isn't the first time I've ran into this person.

Why are you defending this person so much here? Because it seems you don’t even care to read before you attack. As I mentioned before the facts are correct at least where I live. The conclusions you can draw aren't necessarily correct. But I think it would be correct to say that reducing the number of "native" westerners wouldn't help if they were replaced by an equal amount of other people with the same level of con…

Please don't engage in flamewars on Hacker News, please don't uncivilly attack others, and please don't use HN for political or ideological battle: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We ban accounts that do this repeatedly, and yours has. Moreover we've warned you before.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by DarkKomunalec » Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 7:57 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #99

DarkKomunalec wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stop having babies Most of the west has already drastically reduced the number of babies. All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead.

We've banned this account. Using HN primarily for political or ideological battle is an abuse of HN and we ban accounts that do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> political or ideological battle

Is that what pointing out taboo facts is?

P.S.: I've participated in a lot of political discussion on HN - topics including anti-trust, surveillance, patents and copyright, worker's rights, corporate corruption of science, law-enforcement overreach, etc. - and only immigration got me a warning and a ban. Perhaps you could lighten your mod load by updating the guidelines :)

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage » Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 12:32 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #101

mercurysmessage wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you insist on spreading this ignorance all over HN, this really isn't the place for your rhetoric.

You violated the HN guidelines badly by perpetuating this hellish and tedious flamewar. Please don't do that again. Moreover, your comment history has many cases of being uncivil to others, as well as using HN for political battle. We ban accounts that do these things, so would you please stop doing them? They destroy the things that this site is supposed to be for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sure thing, sorry. Just see a lot of things which probably shouldn't be here, but I suppose I should just flag and move on.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by liberte82 » Thu, Aug 31, 2017, 3:38 PM UTC

amoorthy wrote: post #98

liberte82 wrote: post #84

These conversations are endless and repetitive. Both sides are fully entrenched in their positions and I don't know how we can come back to having productive discussions on this topic when both sides have already decided what they believe to be true. How can we talk about anything when we don't agree on the facts?

To be honest, I'm learning a lot from the comments on this thread. I appreciate climate change skeptics speaking up because I know it's not a popular position to take. I also appreciate where everyone has added highly credible citations to back up their claims. For those who struggle to understand skeptics point of view take a look at Michael Crichton's interview on Charlie Rose. This was the first time I came to app…

I guess I feel it would be easier to trust the motives of skeptics if they weren't constantly shifting the goalposts and fighting the data. A couple years ago there was plenty of denial that climate change was happening at all. Now the data has made that position indefensible so now they seek to cast doubt on what the impacts will be.

I'm all for good science and skepticism, and for legitimate issues with the models. But all of this reeks of the same type of "science" that tobacco companies bankrolled to fight the lung cancer findings decades ago. Their motivations just make it very difficult to take them seriously.