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How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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> Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) 20mil EUR even for zero revenue?!

Yes, but who exactly is processing personal data with zero revenue?

Early-day Snapchat stored a lot of personal data (geolocation, application activity, personal info, and photos) before they made any money.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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I encourage a little more thought before cheering this on as a win. While GDPR isn't as ridiculous as the Cookie Law, it still shows that the EU/EC don't understand the technology they are trying to regulate, and it comes at a huge cost to tech companies. Take the right to be forgotten . First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't…

> First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't like the content, but that is what the EU has ruled should happen. No, it is about deleting personal data attached to your user account, not "news articles". This thing intends to make the "delete my account" button to actually, you know, "delete my account", instead of fake-deleting i…

If you mind answering me this, I'm having a hard time figuring it out myself: Will the GDPR mean I'll finally be able to completely delete myself from Facebook?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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And if you think GDPR is a toothless joke, let's take a look at the defined fine stucture. It is pretty simple, only 3 levels (strikes for the fellow Americans): Strike 1 - Stern warning letter Strike 2 - 2% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) And now you know why GDPR is a board level topic. Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got…

I'll eat my shoe if a regulator ever gets even 2% total global revenue out of any of the top 100 software companies based on this. In reality a bunch of small shops are going to go bankrupt because they don't have a "GDPR implementation" position filled and they didn't do some report properly.

The EU just fined Google €2.42 billion in an antitrust settlement for manipulating search results.

Go get the salt.

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> Nor can they deny access to their services to users who refuse to opt-in to tracking.[1] Taken literally this means it's illegal to provide a service in exchange for tracking. Can someone elaborate on whether this is true and what else it applies to or what else other business models are made outright illegal?

Does it say they can't nag users relentlessly until they click 'accept'?

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If Europeans use your website and don't pay for it that's fair game largely. The details are a bit more complicated.

That's strange - so it doesn't protect the data EU citizens give out when using free services?

It does in most situations. For instance Facebook is free but Facebook still sells into the European markets and through that it triggers. Through either VAT registrations, B2B sales or any PE registration GDPR becomes a requirement.

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I wish more penalties were like this. This sounds great. Now these companies will finally have real incentive to comply. Hell, the percentages should be higher. That's the only way to enforce regulations. Otherwise, they'll just pay a puny fine, American style, and not do shit.

I've never understood what would happen if Google or Facebook just ignored EU regulations, claimed that they were not under the EU's jurisdiction, and ignored any judgement. Would the EU erect a great firewall at that point?

The EU can exert as much force as it likes on any assets within the EU and as exmicrosoldier pointed out (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15137258), Google and Facebook have many of their assets outside the US to avoid the taxes incurred by repatriation.

A very real possibility is that Google/Facebook will have these choices:

- Comply with GDPR.

- Shut down business in Europe entirely and eventually be forced to repatriate offshore assets and incur the relevant taxes.

- Continue business in Europe, ignore the GDPR and pay a fine of 4% worldwide revenue.

- Continue business in Europe, ignore the GDPR, don't pay the fine, have all European assets frozen.

That's ignoring the possibility that the EU may be able to reach their US assets as well.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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There is also a pretty easy cryptographic solution for your offline backups: In your backup, encrypt each user's data using a per-user key (AES or something). The keys will be tiny, so you can store the keys in a hot database. When a user deletes their account, simply purge the user's key. Tada - like magic all of that user's data on your tape backups has turned into unreadable noise.

I think you're assuming that most companies roll their own backup systems. You're underestimating the number of companies for which their backup system is something like Windows Server Backup or Veeam which isn't doesn't have that kind of granularity.

In true HN fashion, I'm sure this is a great chance for some plucky startup to 'disrupt' the market.
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