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How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by tormeh »

wolco wrote: post #99
Sir_Substance wrote: post #90

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>We as European businessmen were and still are unable to generate the same kind of innovation as the US I don't want US innovation. Thanks for the offer.

Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Many of those innovations are based on data collection and using that to make customer segments to sell targeted ads. Without that model you may be asked to pay a few dollars or see additional ads that are more likely to be less interesting.

>Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google?

No. Can't. I can't do my job without Google and my social life wouldn't survive without Facebook (messenger, groups, events). Using these services is not voluntary at this point.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by nl »

Silhouette wrote: post #155
s17n wrote: post #152

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All of these companies do business in the EU, have offices and employees in the EU, etc. They are clearly subject to EU jurisdiction. They could shut down all their European operations, but that would cost them a lot more than 4% of revenue.

They could shut down all their European operations, but that would cost them a lot more than 4% of revenue. There's an interesting assumption in there, and I'm not entirely sure it's a correct one. Facebook and its subsidiaries play a large part in many people's everyday lives now, in particular forming the main way a lot of people stay in touch with their friends and family. It is not at all clear to me what would h…

We can see what happens in these circumstances based on when China blocked services.

People stop using it as much.

That seems particularly bad for Facebook, given the network effects it relies on.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by mbroncano »

ariwilson wrote: post #151
cm2187 wrote: post #119

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The US happily enforces its own legislation outside of its territory (particularly in the financial world). By almost every single metric, the EU is bigger than the US. You could argue the EU is merely following the US footsteps.

Economically, EU will be substantially smaller than the US after the UK leaves.

That's far from accurate. The U.K. currently represents around 15% of the EU GDP, which was around 15% higher than that of the US on its own (that includes Norway and Switzerland which are not member but allow me to pencil them in)

If by substantially smaller you mean 'pretty much the same size' then yes you're right.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by Silhouette »

nl wrote: post #162
Silhouette wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could shut down all their European operations, but that would cost them a lot more than 4% of revenue. There's an interesting assumption in there, and I'm not entirely sure it's a correct one. Facebook and its subsidiaries play a large part in many people's everyday lives now, in particular forming the main way a lot of people stay in touch with their friends and family. It is not at all clear to me what would h…

We can see what happens in these circumstances based on when China blocked services. People stop using it as much. That seems particularly bad for Facebook, given the network effects it relies on.

Counterpoint: When the Internet went "dark" over SOPA, people noticed, and SOPA died.

If everyone in Europe woke up one morning next year to find Facebook saying that as a result of new EU law they had been required to turn off their service and please would everyone write to their representatives (using the form conveniently provided below) to ask why they'd done this, what do you think would happen?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by ghaff »

tormeh wrote: post #161
wolco wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Many of those innovations are based on data collection and using that to make customer segments to sell targeted ads. Without that model you may be asked to pay a few dollars or see additional ads that are more likely to be less interesting.

>Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? No. Can't. I can't do my job without Google and my social life wouldn't survive without Facebook (messenger, groups, events). Using these services is not voluntary at this point.

>Using these services is not voluntary at this point.

Of course it is. You just don't want to because it's not convenient.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by hedora »

s17n wrote: post #18
hedora wrote: post #14

Sweet. How to I inform google that I moved to europe (even though I didn't)? VPN tunnel?

If you want to opt out of data collection, it's not that hard, just go to google.com/privacy

I don't login and regularly clear my cookies (pretty much whenever the first targeted ad gets past my adblocker).

I wonder if there is a browser extension that will auto-opt-out of all 1,000,000 (or whatever) trackers on the internet each time you clear cookies.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by hedora »

jpadkins wrote: post #47
curiousDog wrote: post #43

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But GDPR is more than that right? I can tell Google to delete everything it knows about me, not just start opting out.

you can already do that at https://myaccount.google.com/

How do I do that if I don't have an account? Also, if I do have an account, will that delete all of the crap doubleclick and friends shared with each other while I was logged out?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by Silhouette »

saurik wrote: post #160
antoncohen wrote: post #127

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It isn't that simple. When people think about these privacy laws that is what they think about, some evil corporation tracking tons of private info. The company I work for has no ads. It does no analytics on personal info. It does nothing you would care about. What it is is a SasS product for businesses. We aren't the controller, so we don't need permission from end users, our customers need to get permission from th…

> Fine, we now have an engineer building GDPR features instead of features that benefit our customers. I am not finding any shred of sympathy for your story. To me this sounds approximately as evil as saying you are a pipeline company having to comply with all of those pesky environmental and occupational regulations by spending money on worthless safety features for people working and living on or around the pipe, a…

You seem to be responding to an entirely different GP post to the one I read, which seemed pretty clear that the GP's company isn't doing the kind of tracking and analytics that a lot of people might say were "NOT OK".

It's easy to post bold privacy advocacy from the cheap seats, but I suspect you wouldn't like a world where these new rules really were enforced to the letter. Many of the organisations whose products and services make your life better in some way would most likely cease to exist, and the economy on which your personal quality of life depends would surely take a huge hit.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by hedora »

andrewmutz wrote: post #104
Nala_Alan wrote: post #84

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Do you actually believe it will delete anything? You're wrong. NSA would still get the data, and so would Google for marketing purposes. It's just to calm privacy-aware, but not techsavvy users.

If you don't want the NSA to gather information on you, the GDPR will not address that.

If it is illegal for google to collect the data, then the NSA can't force them to or subpoena the non-existent files.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by mbroncano »

raugustinus wrote: post #110
Sir_Substance wrote: post #90

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>We as European businessmen were and still are unable to generate the same kind of innovation as the US I don't want US innovation. Thanks for the offer.

So you don't need that new law?

I'm not a child but I'd rather have children protection laws. Fragile as American ego they should say.
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