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How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by michalskop »

kuschku wrote: post #30
foota wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, now we get annoying warnings on every website we visit....

Because the UK intentionally built a loophole into their version of the law. The actual original cookie law, that was decided on EU level, requires users actually to be able to opt out. But it was a directive, and so countries could interpret it for local implementations. The GDPR is a regulation, which means its text is directly law, and it also means it can be a lot stricter.

Talking from experience from a "new" EU country with solid IT scene: the "cookie law" is not enforced at all. Google would be probably the only one theoretically enforcing it (most of websites do show a message because they use Google Analytics), but it would go against Google's interest, so they are not really enforcing it either.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by bjl »

antoncohen wrote: post #94

I encourage a little more thought before cheering this on as a win. While GDPR isn't as ridiculous as the Cookie Law, it still shows that the EU/EC don't understand the technology they are trying to regulate, and it comes at a huge cost to tech companies. Take the right to be forgotten . First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't…

> You will basically need to hire full-time compliance officers to deal with this. The big tech companies already have compliance officers, but GDPR is so massively invasive to businesses that even small companies now need compliance officers.

Or they could, I don't know, just not collect that data in the first place.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

austinheap wrote: post #100
bflesch wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for phrasing your concerns about this regulation in such a nice way. I tried to articulate it in an earlier post but it was very controversially received. Overall, this will be yet another additional challenge for EU-based startups in comparison with their US peers and keep armies of lawyers busy.

I just want to point out it keeps armies of US engineers employed too. The amount of work I've had for EU companies implementing their EU regulations as a US tech worker is confusing and funny. This is just another opportunity for easy money if you're in the states and enjoy/don't mind compliance work.

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Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by andrewmutz »

Nala_Alan wrote: post #84
jpadkins wrote: post #47

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you can already do that at https://myaccount.google.com/

Do you actually believe it will delete anything? You're wrong. NSA would still get the data, and so would Google for marketing purposes. It's just to calm privacy-aware, but not techsavvy users.

If you don't want the NSA to gather information on you, the GDPR will not address that.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by michalskop »

austinheap wrote: post #96
Nala_Alan wrote: post #86

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I don't even use Google, I use my own searx instance instead. Completely unpersonalized, and completely private. And I feel that it's better this way, cause privacy does matter.

I just use my old Britannica CDs. Completely private.

Using DuckDuckGo is fine for let say 98% of my searches (most of them probably IT related). For the rest, I go to Google or Bing or others. Is there Britannica on flash drives? I should add it to those 2%.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by ubernostrum »

antoncohen wrote: post #94

I encourage a little more thought before cheering this on as a win. While GDPR isn't as ridiculous as the Cookie Law, it still shows that the EU/EC don't understand the technology they are trying to regulate, and it comes at a huge cost to tech companies. Take the right to be forgotten . First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't…

First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't like the content

I think a lot of EU people (I'm not one) would disagree with you here. The notions of privacy and of the goals of the criminal-justice system in several parts of Europe are radically different from the notions your "common sense" position is based on, which means that what seems "common sense" to them seems ludicrous to you, and vice-versa.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by hayksaakian »

bjl wrote: post #102
antoncohen wrote: post #94

I encourage a little more thought before cheering this on as a win. While GDPR isn't as ridiculous as the Cookie Law, it still shows that the EU/EC don't understand the technology they are trying to regulate, and it comes at a huge cost to tech companies. Take the right to be forgotten . First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't…

> You will basically need to hire full-time compliance officers to deal with this. The big tech companies already have compliance officers, but GDPR is so massively invasive to businesses that even small companies now need compliance officers. Or they could, I don't know, just not collect that data in the first place.

What if you run an online payroll service? This type of SaaS obviously requires you to collect personal information.

Do you think it's reasonable to have to get individual user approval to move their data from one database vendor to another?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by Joeri »

antoncohen wrote: post #94

I encourage a little more thought before cheering this on as a win. While GDPR isn't as ridiculous as the Cookie Law, it still shows that the EU/EC don't understand the technology they are trying to regulate, and it comes at a huge cost to tech companies. Take the right to be forgotten . First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't…

You need to research the right to be forgotten as it applies to news articles, it doesn't work in the way you describe.

And as far as this stuff being difficult to do, sure, but isn't it worth doing? Why shouldn't a customer have a say which cloud provider hosts their data? Why shouldn't we be able to make sure no data is kept about us after we stop using a service? Like with anything novel in software it only seems hard to do because we haven't done it, but in a ground up design it's not that hard to add gdpr compliance, and a few years down the line this stuff will be business as usual.

You don't need a compliance officer, but you do need a security officer, and their job now also involves data lineage, not just data security. You already should have that person if you're building a SaaS solution.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by raugustinus »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #90
bflesch wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is about ethics, it is about control. We as European businessmen were and still are unable to generate the same kind of innovation as the US, and now they try to solve the problem by pulling down the US on our level (at least the parts concerning the EU market). I think this is the wrong approach, EU should try to make it easier for European businesses to compete with US-based ones. But in the end we…

>We as European businessmen were and still are unable to generate the same kind of innovation as the US I don't want US innovation. Thanks for the offer.

So you don't need that new law?
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