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Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by M2Ys4U »

bflesch wrote: post #97
antoncohen wrote: post #94

I encourage a little more thought before cheering this on as a win. While GDPR isn't as ridiculous as the Cookie Law, it still shows that the EU/EC don't understand the technology they are trying to regulate, and it comes at a huge cost to tech companies. Take the right to be forgotten . First of all, it should be common sense that no one has the right to force legitimate news articles to disappear because they don't…

Thanks for phrasing your concerns about this regulation in such a nice way. I tried to articulate it in an earlier post but it was very controversially received. Overall, this will be yet another additional challenge for EU-based startups in comparison with their US peers and keep armies of lawyers busy.

If a US company wants to handle the data of an EU citizen then they'll have to comply or be fined as well.

And if you're complying because you want users in the EU, then you might as well design your system to comply for everybody. And that's a Good Thing as more privacy is better.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by fixermark »

kartan wrote: post #17
fixermark wrote: post #3

So, how long until this one also also gets neutered when European governments realize they can't even bring their own websites into compliance with the new law? ;)

> So, how long until this one also also gets neutered when European governments realize they can't even bring their own websites into compliance with the new law? ;) I have worked for 2 big tech companies in Europe. And in both, there is a big effort to make sure that they are compliant with the legislation. I see everyone taking it seriously. Why do you think that it is going to fail? Even the stupid, really really…

Regarding the cookie warning, I was mostly thinking about this infographic humorously describing the delta between what was originally intended and what was eventually implemented [https://silktide.com/app/uploads/2013/01/Cookie-Law-infograp...]. As well as the ICO back-pedaling from explicit consent to implied consent (https://www.out-law.com/articles/2013/january/ico-to-change-...).

I take it the actual implementation went a bit more smoothly than the infographic suggests?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by bjl »

hayksaakian wrote: post #108
bjl wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You will basically need to hire full-time compliance officers to deal with this. The big tech companies already have compliance officers, but GDPR is so massively invasive to businesses that even small companies now need compliance officers. Or they could, I don't know, just not collect that data in the first place.

What if you run an online payroll service? This type of SaaS obviously requires you to collect personal information. Do you think it's reasonable to have to get individual user approval to move their data from one database vendor to another?

> What if you run an online payroll service?

Then you should already be treating your data in this way. If you're not, then I'm glad you're being forced to now.

As for your other point, sure. Customers should absolutely have a say in what happens to their data.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by Espressosaurus »

77pt77 wrote: post #91
shadowtree wrote: post #32

And if you think GDPR is a toothless joke, let's take a look at the defined fine stucture. It is pretty simple, only 3 levels (strikes for the fellow Americans): Strike 1 - Stern warning letter Strike 2 - 2% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) And now you know why GDPR is a board level topic. Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got…

> Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) 20mil EUR even for zero revenue?!

Turns out it's a bad idea to ignore regulators enforcing the law.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by Sir_Substance »

wolco wrote: post #99
Sir_Substance wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We as European businessmen were and still are unable to generate the same kind of innovation as the US I don't want US innovation. Thanks for the offer.

Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google? Many of those innovations are based on data collection and using that to make customer segments to sell targeted ads. Without that model you may be asked to pay a few dollars or see additional ads that are more likely to be less interesting.

>Does that mean you avoid services like facebook or google?

Like the fucking plague. You should too.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by M2Ys4U »

mnm1 wrote: post #44
shadowtree wrote: post #32

And if you think GDPR is a toothless joke, let's take a look at the defined fine stucture. It is pretty simple, only 3 levels (strikes for the fellow Americans): Strike 1 - Stern warning letter Strike 2 - 2% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) And now you know why GDPR is a board level topic. Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got…

I wish more penalties were like this. This sounds great. Now these companies will finally have real incentive to comply. Hell, the percentages should be higher. That's the only way to enforce regulations. Otherwise, they'll just pay a puny fine, American style, and not do shit.

>Hell, the percentages should be higher.

The European Parliament wanted a higher percentage but that got negotiated down during discussions with the Council of the European Union.

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by cm2187 »

shadowtree wrote: post #32

And if you think GDPR is a toothless joke, let's take a look at the defined fine stucture. It is pretty simple, only 3 levels (strikes for the fellow Americans): Strike 1 - Stern warning letter Strike 2 - 2% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) And now you know why GDPR is a board level topic. Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got…

> Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got axed due to a lawsuit of a single student from Vienna against Facebook.

Almost every US supreme court decision come from a single guy challenging something. Are you suggesting that under a certain size, one shouldn't be allowed to sue in court?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by M2Ys4U »

77pt77 wrote: post #91
shadowtree wrote: post #32

And if you think GDPR is a toothless joke, let's take a look at the defined fine stucture. It is pretty simple, only 3 levels (strikes for the fellow Americans): Strike 1 - Stern warning letter Strike 2 - 2% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) And now you know why GDPR is a board level topic. Keep in mind that the EU/US Safe Harbor agreement got…

> Strike 3 - 4% of your TOTAL GLOBAL REVENUE (or 20mil EUR, whichever is higher) 20mil EUR even for zero revenue?!

Yes, but who exactly is processing personal data with zero revenue?

Re: How the GDPR Will Disrupt Google and Facebook

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Post by cm2187 »

golemotron wrote: post #58
mnm1 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish more penalties were like this. This sounds great. Now these companies will finally have real incentive to comply. Hell, the percentages should be higher. That's the only way to enforce regulations. Otherwise, they'll just pay a puny fine, American style, and not do shit.

I've never understood what would happen if Google or Facebook just ignored EU regulations, claimed that they were not under the EU's jurisdiction, and ignored any judgement. Would the EU erect a great firewall at that point?

The US happily enforces its own legislation outside of its territory (particularly in the financial world). By almost every single metric, the EU is bigger than the US. You could argue the EU is merely following the US footsteps.
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