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Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage »

reitanqild wrote: post #67
mercurysmessage wrote: post #66

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Why are you defending this person so much here? > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead What do you infer from this? It's pretty obvious. This isn't the first time I've ran into this person.

Why are you defending this person so much here? Because it seems you don’t even care to read before you attack. As I mentioned before the facts are correct at least where I live. The conclusions you can draw aren't necessarily correct. But I think it would be correct to say that reducing the number of "native" westerners wouldn't help if they were replaced by an equal amount of other people with the same level of con…

I have read this persons comments.

The facts are also that it is hard to migrate, and that immigrants normally have to be highly educated.

By "native" you don't mean aboriginal, do you? At the end of the day we are all just people, and it really shouldn't matter to any of us where they were born as long as they are moral and respect laws.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage »

DarkKomunalec wrote: post #69
mercurysmessage wrote: post #63

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What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society. It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses…

> You also haven't answered why you feel this way. My feelings are irrelevant - they make my points neither more nor less valid.

Sure it does.

And your points are not valid, your point is simply that you don't want immigration. You aren't replying to facts about immigrants and immigration besides that it happens, and that people want it. We've all been immigrants at some point, so I don't see where you could possible come from in feeling so strongly about disallowing people from improving your country.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dogruck »

0xfeba wrote: post #38
dogruck wrote: post #35

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Strange how difficult it is to get a non-political unbiased view of man-made climate change, isn't it?

From major news outlets? No, not strange. Luckily the AAAS, NASA, NOAA aren't nearly as political.

I disagree that organizations such as AAAS, NASA, and NOAA aren't political. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of "political." Do you define it as "elected official?"

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dogruck »

geiseric wrote: post #40
dogruck wrote: post #35

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Strange how difficult it is to get a non-political unbiased view of man-made climate change, isn't it?

If in fact climate change is man made. There is strong evidence that this is a natural cycle. Are humans contributing greenhouse gasses? Yes, but what effect are they having? We don't really know, contrary to those who say they do. We have an idea, but climate prediction is still difficult and imperfect. So NO! The science isn't final.

You're right that we do not know what impact, if any, increased CO2 has on the environment. Of course people are downvoting your comment because cool-headed rational discussion of climate change is not supported on Hacker News.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dogruck »

dwaltrip wrote: post #58
geiseric wrote: post #40

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If in fact climate change is man made. There is strong evidence that this is a natural cycle. Are humans contributing greenhouse gasses? Yes, but what effect are they having? We don't really know, contrary to those who say they do. We have an idea, but climate prediction is still difficult and imperfect. So NO! The science isn't final.

Human CO2 contribution and the basic warming effect are well understood. Nature absorbs more CO2 than it emits, but not enough to offset the amount we are putting out. Thus, the global CO2 concentration has been rising over the past 100+ years, especially in recent decades. A higher CO2 concentration blocks more thermal radiation from exiting through Earth's atmosphere into space. When this energy is blocked, it stay…

> Human CO2 contribution and the basic warming effect are well understood.

Could you please point me to your most convincing scientific argument, so that I can understand it too?

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dogruck »

DarkKomunalec wrote: post #59
polotics wrote: post #47

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You are using a straw man: science is never final. We however do really know what effect CO2 has, you even use the term "greenhouse gases", that's the effect right there in the name. You state "strong evidence", please post links to this I have a few debunking minutes left for today. Thank you

> science is never final Why not wait till we're (more) certain? What's the worst that could happen? Catastrophic, runaway climate-change? I say we risk it - at least the science will have been settled... FUD works both ways.

Proposed responses to supposed man-made climate change are not free.

For example, if you're a rich American, you simply hop on the bandwagon and pay more for stuff. Buy a Tesla, live in the city, pay some extra taxes, etc.

If you're not rich, you have to think carefully.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dogruck »

dogruck wrote: post #75
dwaltrip wrote: post #58

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Human CO2 contribution and the basic warming effect are well understood. Nature absorbs more CO2 than it emits, but not enough to offset the amount we are putting out. Thus, the global CO2 concentration has been rising over the past 100+ years, especially in recent decades. A higher CO2 concentration blocks more thermal radiation from exiting through Earth's atmosphere into space. When this energy is blocked, it stay…

> Human CO2 contribution and the basic warming effect are well understood. Could you please point me to your most convincing scientific argument, so that I can understand it too?

I'll take each downvote as evidence that such an argument does not exist.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by emodendroket »

dogruck wrote: post #73
0xfeba wrote: post #38

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From major news outlets? No, not strange. Luckily the AAAS, NASA, NOAA aren't nearly as political.

I disagree that organizations such as AAAS, NASA, and NOAA aren't political. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of "political." Do you define it as "elected official?"

Are newspaper editors elected where you live?

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by emodendroket »

dogruck wrote: post #32
emodendroket wrote: post #17

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It was my understanding that climate change made events like hurricanes and extreme rainfall more likely.

Remember when Dr Roger Pielke Jr was fired because he didn't think climate change intensified hurricanes? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_A._Pielke_Jr . You might have that understanding because the media punishes disention.

> Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Roger A. Pielke Jr in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by dragonwriter »

emodendroket wrote: post #56
Turing_Machine wrote: post #54

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1) The definition of "major hurricane" is one of Category 3 or greater. Sandy was only a 1. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutgloss.shtml#m 2) The actual topic of discussion here is whether climate change makes hurricanes worse. Unless you have some evidence that climate change was responsible for Sandy's track, its connection with the topic is dubious at best. Do you have such evidence? Edit: No, they're not "more freque…

It is not just whether it makes them worse but also whether it makes them more frequent. If the country is experiencing more highly damaging storms who cares whether they're category 3 or not?

And, also whether it changes where they occur, since places where they have usually occurred are more likely to be adapted to them.
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