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Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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No I never configured the wireless setup, I wired them to ethernet straight away.

They self configure into a wireless network called sonosnet if they are wired together.

How do I switch that off then? I don't see any option in the windows sonos app's settings. I just see a Advanced Settings/General/Wireless Setup but that's to connect it to a wifi, which I do not want to do.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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No I never configured the wireless setup, I wired them to ethernet straight away.

They self configure into a wireless network called sonosnet if they are wired together.

Indeed. There is a way[1] to connect to the individual sonos units and disable the radio entirely, but that certainly isn't the default.

[1]: https://bsteiner.info/articles/disabling-sonos-wifi

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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post #117

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They self configure into a wireless network called sonosnet if they are wired together.

Indeed. There is a way[1] to connect to the individual sonos units and disable the radio entirely, but that certainly isn't the default. [1]: https://bsteiner.info/articles/disabling-sonos-wifi

It's not just not the default. It's actually hard to find. You can't do that from the Sonos applications.

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Convenience, everybody's favorite little shoulder devil.

Convenience is a big deal and not a "little" shoulder devil. Sonos sounds great, has nice features and "just works".

> Sonos sounds great, has nice features and "just works".

Perhaps not for long, if you do not accept their take-it-or-leave-it terms. Personally, I don't mind not accepting the TOS and simply leaving my software in the state that it currently is in, forever. My device is currently working acceptably, so I don't see why I need an update. But if they're saying it's going to eventually stop working, that's where any sane person should draw the line.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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Individuals haven't owned much in a very long time; we've been physical serfs living on someone else's land for even longer. You only "own" something so long as you pay taxes (aka rents) for the right to do so, otherwise someone, usually the government, will take it from you. Even if you don't want to play along, you can only be somewhere public for so long until you're loitering and subject to fines (more rents), co…

Tax is not rent unless you're in an actual feudal system.

> Broadly defined, it was a way of structuring society around relationships derived from the holding of land in exchange for service or labour. [1]

If I don't mow my lawn or pick up my garbage (labour) then my homeowners' association or local government can initiate legal proceedings which may end in me not "owning" my home.

Look, I'm actually for taxes generally, whatever you want to think about that, as long as they provide equal value to the people. However, our current system is designed so that any local government can arbitrarily decide that they're incorporated and I'm subject to their laws and taxation. 99% of us work towards putting more into the system than we get back and many do so exponentially.

Last time I checked, eminent domain and asset forfeiture are still actual things that happen in 2017.

We may not live in an outright "feudal system" but many of us live in a system closer to one than not.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

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It seems like nobody actually owns anything any more - that we're all just digital serfs living on someone else's land. I really don't know why anyone would willingly make such a deal.

Because no one really makes such a deal in an informed manner...imagine if products had a big warning label "future software updates are not included"

It's even worse than that though. Even if you chose to forego updates promising features or better security, it seems like this product's box should actually say "not guaranteed to continue working past arbitrary dates, even if the hardware is still fine!"

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Individuals haven't owned much in a very long time; we've been physical serfs living on someone else's land for even longer. You only "own" something so long as you pay taxes (aka rents) for the right to do so, otherwise someone, usually the government, will take it from you. Even if you don't want to play along, you can only be somewhere public for so long until you're loitering and subject to fines (more rents), co…

Taxes ≠ rents.

Actually... it kinda.. does.

No? Don't pay your property tax. See how fast you get evicted from that home you "own" by the sheriff.

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Indeed. There is a way[1] to connect to the individual sonos units and disable the radio entirely, but that certainly isn't the default. [1]: https://bsteiner.info/articles/disabling-sonos-wifi

It's not just not the default. It's actually hard to find. You can't do that from the Sonos applications.

I agree. It seems pretty bonkers, but I'm sure some PM thought it would be great for some subset of customers to just be able to plug things in and have things "magically work". Anything beyond the most basic network though, and it really causes problems.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individuals haven't owned much in a very long time; we've been physical serfs living on someone else's land for even longer. You only "own" something so long as you pay taxes (aka rents) for the right to do so, otherwise someone, usually the government, will take it from you. Even if you don't want to play along, you can only be somewhere public for so long until you're loitering and subject to fines (more rents), co…

Taxes ≠ rents.

Generally, I would agree, and in the broadest sense of the terms, they are not equal. You can call anything whatever you want; you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. England used taxation as a way to maintain control over its colonies regardless of how it turned out. Eventually, and most famously, the U.S. realized the taxation was a form of oppression and not for the common good.

People who didn't pay the "taxes" were evicted and their possessions given to loyalists; sounds a lot like renting.

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To be honest I had a pretty average experience with Sonos so far. It is connected with cat6 ethernet, professional switches, with no other connectivity problems on that network (and I tested all cables). I have 3 systems (pay1, play 5 and the sonos amp), and they keep losing track of each others, I have to regroup them regularly. They also struggle with long music tracks (i.e. 1h podcasts off a synology shared drive)…

I bought a LibraTone [0] and love the thing. With its inbuilt battery, it's a portable hifi system. You can take it anywhere. Sound quality is 5*. Integrates seamlessly with all Apple devices.

[0] https://www.libratone.com/

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