Just rechecked it's still complete crap. They can't support the back button, no post / redirect pattern, confirm form resubmission. https://passportapplication.service.gov.uk/
UK Government's Payment Infrastructure Is Now Open Source
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
So how would you go about acquiring evidence that this approach actually works?
Meta-question: do you believe that ethical decisions in politics must only proceed once someone can point to that decisions having been made in the past? That it is insufficient to point to the _wrong_ inherent to compulsion and say "let's stop this?". Would you make the same argument to abolitionists prior to the Civil War? Leaving the issue of evidence aside, I'd generalise from the countless vital goods and servic…
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#83However the "business logic" of gov.uk is still sorely lacking. For the actual visa application process and payment, I was bounced around between 4-5 different third party websites handling different aspects of the process. I'm sure further integration with gov.uk is on the roadmap, and it will certainly be nice.
As a new resident of the U.K., though, I have to admit I've been pleasantly surprised and very happy with the gov.uk website so far.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes, taxation is necessary for a civilised society. No, it doesn't have to be compulsory I think you may have to explain that to me
The lottery is the best known/most common voluntary taxation. The early United States used the lottery to fund the government.
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#85Every interaction I have with a gov.uk portal is a painful UX disater - most recently passport and driver license, both had a submitting payment stage. I can't imagine anyone saying 'wow look how at the gov.uk got it right' lets use their code, a glorified CMS system with forms and payments bolted on - badly - so badly. Just rechecked it's still complete crap. They can't support the back button, no post / redirect pa…
Re: UK Government's Payment Infrastructure Is Now Open Source
#86Every interaction I have with a gov.uk portal is a painful UX disater - most recently passport and driver license, both had a submitting payment stage. I can't imagine anyone saying 'wow look how at the gov.uk got it right' lets use their code, a glorified CMS system with forms and payments bolted on - badly - so badly. Just rechecked it's still complete crap. They can't support the back button, no post / redirect pa…
The ‘Apply for a passport’ you linked to service is pretty old now and doesn’t reflect GDS’s current recommendations; as far as I understand it it was more of a reskin of an already existing system than anything done from the ground up. However there’s a newer service available from https://www.gov.uk/apply-renew-passport that is much more modern and actively developed. I’m not sure why they’re both still up (althoug…
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ‘Apply for a passport’ you linked to service is pretty old now and doesn’t reflect GDS’s current recommendations; as far as I understand it it was more of a reskin of an already existing system than anything done from the ground up. However there’s a newer service available from https://www.gov.uk/apply-renew-passport that is much more modern and actively developed. I’m not sure why they’re both still up (althoug…
The link you posted redirects to original UX disaster after answering ten or so questions (each their own page and a click next). Seems you will only stay on the new site for booking and paying for a traditional walkin appointment.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ...or a Statist asking for a defence of voluntary taxation Calling the vast majority of people "statist" seems to imply a (false) equivalence between voluntary and compulsorary taxation as competing theories. Voluntary taxation is a fringe theory with some fairly serious flaws... the primary one in my opinion being that it erodes democracy by pushing even more influence over government into the hands of people with…
> Voluntary taxation is a fringe theory with some fairly serious flaws... the primary one in my opinion being that it erodes democracy by pushing even more influence over government into the hands of people with deep enough pockets to pay more (but only when they're happy). The incentives in that kind of system would be all wrong. It's a side issue to the one we're discussing, but ... that's what we have right now, a…
To me this is the most interesting line in your reply. There's so much bundled up in here.
First of all; the amount people will pay (and its distribution if they're allowed to nominate policies or departments to fund) would depend entirely on the decision architecture in which their decisions were made.
i.e. Exactly what information is given to citizens and when? What's the nature of their decision? What are the rules and limits? How long is the budget cycle and at what point in the year/month are they making their decision? How are citizens communicated to in the rest of the cycle? What does the broader economy look like after a couple of years of likely-reduced spending? What are the incentives acting on the media and their owners and how does that push them to influence public opinion?
Any mistakes in the implementation of that and it'd be guaranteed to fail (assuming there's any chance of success to begin with).
Secondly, although I think the output of voluntary funding decisions would be mainly a function of decision architecture, that will likely be influenced by overall trends in society. If you read recent work by Robert Putnam you'll probably be aware that the societal indicators of connectedness and social cohesion that he's compiled (things like the % of bipartisan bills, membership of clubs and societies, etc.) have been decreasing from their peak (in around 1964) and are presently on their way down to 1900-era levels. While he doesn't know the cause of that phenomenon, it seems deeply speculative that voluntary tax is the solution.
It's more likely that your desire for voluntary tax is a symptom of your mistrust of others to manage funding decisions for you, i.e. a symptom of the effect he's attempting to understand.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The lottery is the best known/most common voluntary taxation. The early United States used the lottery to fund the government.
Which seems like the poor primarily end up paying for. http://www.businessinsider.com/lottery-is-a-tax-on-the-poor-...
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
GDS’s GA Premium account contractually prevents Google from investigating the data, and Google self-anonymises with a flag in their API[1]. If you don’t trust them then that’s fine, but for functionality vs cost it seems to be the best option. For what it’s worth, for extremely sensitive projects like GOV.UK Verify other options are fine; Verify uses a local Piwik instance. You’re also welcome to block that specific…
I still can't believe people are happy using Verify. I very reluctantly tried to use it as I don't want to give all my data to any of the companies you listed, and yet it failed to identify me using the two companies I was allowed to pick. I really don't see how it's acceptable to force users to give so much personal data to a handful of randomly selected private companies, on the off-chance that they already have it…
The concerning part was what happened when I tried to cancel the process. The companies told me that they would delete all the data I had submitted to them, but when I tried again a year later, I was invited to resume my application, and all my data was still in their systems!
[edit] Just tried to go through the process again to see if anything has changed. I picked Royal Mail as an identity provider but was unable to finish because I had to upload a scan of a phone contract, which I don't have since I use pay as you go! Bloody waste of time!