Do you guys think they will wait until January 2018 to release the t480 series? I was torn between the t470p and t470 because of the quad core and finally decided on the t470 for the battery life and size (no t470s/x1 carbon because I already have 1tb 2.5" ssd)
Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
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Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
The big grief I have with "general computing" platforms is their insistence of sticking with the traditional form factor. ATX, ITX, PCI- , DDR ...outdated, overboard, clunky designs for most people. Take a Mac Mini-like design, and make modules that can stack or otherwise attach to expand capabilities. IMO, this is what Apple should do and be done with the whole "But Mac Pro users ...!" A project Ara-like desktop, bo…
Like the HP Elite Slice? http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/elite-slice/overview.html
Cute! Shame the pricing is "elite" too.
Slice >£1000 inc tax: http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Offer.aspx?p=b-pc-hp-elite...
Comparable spec small PC £520: http://www.misco.co.uk/product/2688486/HP-280-G2-SFF-Desktop...
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#103I wonder how companies like Apple, that have quite stagnant and stable release cycles (compared to other brands) will handle that situation. Does it mean their customers will have to sit on 'old' CPU's again for another generation or two? Latest MacBooks were released ~80 days ago and their release cycle is ~300 days on average. Obviously I wonder, because I was about to order a new Apple machine for myself and now I…
After seeing those internal emails from Microsoft regarding the failures they had on the Surface products caused by problems in the then-recently launched Skylake chips, my guess is Apple is just fine on their delayed release schedule.
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#104Wait isn't 7th gen already essentially a refresh of 6th gen?
Yeah Intel are not following the tick-tock pattern anymore, they are having more revisions on the same node, and some of the revisions are more slight. Anandtech had an article on it a while back.
Correct. About a year and a half ago, Intel announced they were ditching tick-tock for a three step model of process-architecture-optimization.
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Even AMD think of it as such. Ryzen doesn't have it disabled on the desktop, but AMD haven't validated it either.
Didn't AMD employees confirm it a few times on the web already ?
I didn't say ECC doesn't work. It is enabled on Ryzen. But it's not something AMD go to the effort of validating to make sure it works properly and it doesn't get support. It's left in there as a footnote for enthusiasts.
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#106I'm kind of disappointed in this. While they are upping the core count, the overall clock speed is being decreased across the board. This means that single threaded processes will theoretically perform slower (I know it still turbos up).
Honestly, I just upgraded to Ryzen from a 3770k and. My 3770k ran all cores at 4.2GHz (overclocked, obviously) and the only reason I updated was becasue I wanted to upgrade to NVMe and DDR4. That was 4 years old and I had no CPU-bound performance issues. I really think Intel needs to start innovating more rather than being complacent or AMD is actually going to steal the show.
Super happy for the competition though!
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It does in well-designed machines, although usually not in the ultraslim ones. The ThinkPad T470 can sustain full turbo indefinitely according to notebookcheck. Lenovo's premium line (X1 Carbon/Yoga) cannot, though, as they're too thin and light for a sufficiently capable cooling system, and will throttle after a while.
Would you have a link to the page you're referring to? I'm wondering if that's also true for the T470p.
The T470 review is at https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470-Core-i5-F... - but keep in mind that's a 15W i5. The 35W CPUs in the T470p produce a lot more heat. I'm sure notebookcheck has a review of that, too.
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Cooling limitations are extremely applicable to laptops! You can easily have two different machines with identical CPUs and 10%+ performance difference because one has a proper cooling system while the other doesn't. Check the notebookcheck rankings if you want to see some specific numbers.
Sorry, I meant that in the sense that no laptop is "properly cooled". There definitely can still be variations. :P
Also, this will only further increase the value of maintainable machines. A machine with good and accessible/serviceable cooling means that redoing the thermal paste after 3-4 years will be both feasible and helpful.
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#109Wait isn't 7th gen already essentially a refresh of 6th gen?
Sure, but this time AMD made Intel to show a real progress with 8 cores ULV CPU (yes to show, as I guess Intel had it ready-made, but was not going to present it for the time being). Before this year Intel didn't have to show the real progress as there was almost monopoly on the CPU market.
> with 8 cores ULV CPU
4 cores obviously
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#110I wonder how many Programmers here using Macbook Pro need an Iris Graphics? Compared to this newest UHD 620 ( Which really is just HD 620 with HDMI 2.2 support ), the Skylake Iris Graphics is rougly 50% to 60% faster. But with Kaby Lake Refresh you get Quad Core instead of Dual Core. I wonder how many would prefer to have a Quad Core Macbook Pro 13" instead. * These 15W parts can be TDP Config up to 25W. Which Fits t…
Integrated graphics are great for the power savings but a 2015 Macbook Pro can not drive a 4K display higher than 24 frames per second.
Plug the monitor into the right port! (the mini display port/thunderbolt one)