I wonder how companies like Apple, that have quite stagnant and stable release cycles (compared to other brands) will handle that situation. Does it mean their customers will have to sit on 'old' CPU's again for another generation or two? Latest MacBooks were released ~80 days ago and their release cycle is ~300 days on average. Obviously I wonder, because I was about to order a new Apple machine for myself and now I'm not sure if I shouldn't (the same problem over and over again) just wait a bit longer.
Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
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Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#42Oooh moving to a baseline of 4 cores; this means we'll see quad core Lenovo X1 Carbons / Ultrabooks soon. :) I for one am excited.
I believe these are also the chips that will come to the 13" MBP w/o TouchBar. We'll see how the thermals look, but call me excited.
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#43Still LPDDR3 with 16GB RAM limitation. What an embarrassment, all phone SoC today use LPDDR4(x) and technically support more RAM than the desktop Intel CPUs.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the lack of a secure door to your property something that would hold you back? I doubt that. Still, secure doors are important.
Do you have blast doors installed home? Anyway, not sure how exactly ECC relates to security. Is there any specific attack vector where it helps?
rowhammer, though it apparently can work around ecc.
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#45How about some consumer desktop ones with ECC RAM support?
Never gonna happen. ECC is "pro" feature for Intel, reserved for Xeons only. They have to justify high price of Xeons somehow.
You mean server chips. The server Atoms also support ECC. For eg. https://ark.intel.com/products/97927/Intel-Atom-Processor-C3...
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#46Good to see lower power usage but the one thing I still feel is missing is widespread support for ECC on the desk(lap)top.
Curious what your use case is that entails ECC? Are you currently being held back without it?
Integrity of your data. Without ECC data in memory can become corrupted at any point.
It's usually just a single bit but say you are working with images, do you care if a single pixel changes its RGB value because of a memory error? A character in the metadata?
I do.
Unfortunately there is a hardware cartel which deliberately limits ECC to enterprise / server products so that they can inflate the price / their profit margin.
ECC RAM is more expensive to manufacture than non-ECC RAM but the price difference would be fairly minimal if ECC RAM were used everywhere - as it should.
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#47I wonder how companies like Apple, that have quite stagnant and stable release cycles (compared to other brands) will handle that situation. Does it mean their customers will have to sit on 'old' CPU's again for another generation or two? Latest MacBooks were released ~80 days ago and their release cycle is ~300 days on average. Obviously I wonder, because I was about to order a new Apple machine for myself and now I…
I don't think the regular MacBook have those chips. These are the ones for the 13-inch MBP entry level models.
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#48Isn't it better to have more powerful single thread performance for developing in single threaded languages? Looks like a step backwards than? Double the core count and more l3 cache sounds good, even though they crippled the base clock speed.
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#49Good to see lower power usage but the one thing I still feel is missing is widespread support for ECC on the desk(lap)top.
Curious what your use case is that entails ECC? Are you currently being held back without it?
Well I just had data corruption on my Intel NUC due to a stick of RAM failing. Had I had ECC the fault would most likely have been spotted right away. Instead it dragged on for a few months. Glad I kept multi-month backup sets.
Firefox crashed every now and then, but that's not something which raised any flags with me. Other than that the box seemed just fine. Then one day I couldn't boot anymore as the filesystem had been severely corrupted.
Ran memtest86 and sure enough, a span of addresses invariably generated errors in all tests.
Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh
#50I wonder how companies like Apple, that have quite stagnant and stable release cycles (compared to other brands) will handle that situation. Does it mean their customers will have to sit on 'old' CPU's again for another generation or two? Latest MacBooks were released ~80 days ago and their release cycle is ~300 days on average. Obviously I wonder, because I was about to order a new Apple machine for myself and now I…
I don't think the regular MacBook have those chips. These are the ones for the 13-inch MBP entry level models.
I thought of MacBook as of 'MacBook family' and not as 'The MacBook 12"'. To be more precise, when I said I wanted to buy a new machine, I was thinking about The MBPR 15".