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Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by joatmon-snoo »

metalliqaz wrote: post #34
theWatcher37 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This type of behavior + AMP has pushed me off google completely. I'm determined to cut them out of my technical life entirely, I've even switched myself and everyone I know/support off their DNS. I can't support their shady practices anymore.

Sorry for being that guy, but what is AMP in this context?

AMP, as pushed by Google, is essentially Google re-hosting a pared-down, mobile-friendly version of your site.

Alex Kras has two blog posts that got a lot of traction early on that highlighted some issues with this trend [1] [2].

[1] https://www.alexkras.com/google-may-be-stealing-your-mobile-...

[2] https://www.alexkras.com/please-make-google-amp-optional/

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by zeppelin101 »

Clubber wrote: post #47
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

I strongly recommend everyone to look into hosting your own mail server. DigitalOcean will rent you a Linux VM for $5 a month or something crazy like that. You can figure out how to install postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail it in a few hours. If nothing else, it keeps critical functionality decentralized, and you learn something and $5 a month for career insurance is pretty damn cheap.

That's a very cool idea, but the spam filtering of gmail can hardly be matched. On the plus side, now you could send emails with much larger attachments.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by brightball »

Clubber wrote: post #47
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

I strongly recommend everyone to look into hosting your own mail server. DigitalOcean will rent you a Linux VM for $5 a month or something crazy like that. You can figure out how to install postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail it in a few hours. If nothing else, it keeps critical functionality decentralized, and you learn something and $5 a month for career insurance is pretty damn cheap.

https://mailinabox.email/

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by brianwawok »

Clubber wrote: post #47
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

I strongly recommend everyone to look into hosting your own mail server. DigitalOcean will rent you a Linux VM for $5 a month or something crazy like that. You can figure out how to install postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail it in a few hours. If nothing else, it keeps critical functionality decentralized, and you learn something and $5 a month for career insurance is pretty damn cheap.

Do you find you have problems delivering to other mail servers?

That has always been the trick. Running the mail server is easy. Having your email show up in other servers is "hard". Right now, with so many users using GMAIL, using gmail is a huge boon to not being marked spam (Google is way less likely to market a @gmail.com email as spam compared to say a @aol.com email).

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by mirimir »

I can't imagine how people depend so heavily on free accounts from Google. Which notoriously ignores help requests. And typically don't retain backups. Seriously?

But bottom line, it's Google's business what they do. And with a free account, there's no recourse. Except maybe getting to HN front page, and reaching someone sympathetic at Google.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by 5trokerac3 »

weberc2 wrote: post #15

It seems like this is probably an accident, and not an attempt to censor reasonable political views. I would hope they learned their lesson last time.

An accident that they even shut down his blog? Perhaps a mistake, but definitely no accident.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by xiaoma »

jolux wrote: post #20
shallot_router wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because he disagrees with his views, and surely no true professor would say something he disagrees with.

I just thought it was interesting you (edit: you're not parent, I meant parent) didn't call him out by name, and I wanted to make the connection explicit.

Despite being successful for an academic, he's not exactly a famous psych prof at the level of say, Steven Pinker. Before politics collided with his work this year he didn't seem to be politically active at all, either.

It might have changed a bit after Joe Rogan's podcast but to be honest, most people outside of Canada probably have no idea who Jordan Peterson is.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by Clubber »

jameskegel wrote: post #27
vim_wannabe wrote: post #16

I wonder how much I would lose if my Gmail was deleted... Everything I have is behind that address. What would be my best bet to move to if I'm too much of a bad to host my own email?

Do you need email?

It sure beats giving out your cell phone number on the internet for people to contact you.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by jszymborski »

shaqbert wrote: post #38

The automated canned answer is what rubs me the most here. There is a professor who trusted Google's Gmail and Blogspot product, gets the Axe for some violation of Terms of Service or Quality Guidelines, and does not get a clear and straight answer what specifically he did wrong, or how he can remedy the situation. I wish one of the Googlers reading this here could reach out internally what is going on here. I'd wage…

> I wish one of the Googlers reading this here could reach out internally what is going on here.

Or better yet:

1) move to a reputed, paid e-mail account (fastmail, mailbox.org, tutanota, protonmail etc...)

2) there used to be baywords.com for uncensored blogs, but I think you can trust posthaven.com.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by gragas »

otalp wrote: post #46
jolux wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jordan Peterson, the "Canadian psychology professor" you mention, agree or disagree with him, clearly has political motivations and is explicitly politically active. He's an entirely different case from this.

Yeah, Peterson is clearly politically active. For those who don't know, he rose from complete obscurity because he opposed an anti-transgender-discrimination bill in Canada. His argument was that it was a serious threat to free speech and would force him to use pronouns he didn't want to use, despite nothing like that being on the bill and despite numerous respectable legal scholars informing him that you could never…

>the supposed infiltration of Marxism into culture and ideas like White Privilege and Cultural Appropriation

You can't argue that "white privilege" hasn't infiltrated culture. An alarming amount of people have openly disparaged white people when talking to me, even though I am white myself.

If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago. I think it's horrible and I think Peterson is right.

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